Leaves you scratching your head at times ?
Leaves you scratching your head at times ?
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gerradiuk

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1,669 posts

225 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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What was Osbourne thinking for god's sake?

Centrica, the owner of British Gas, has confirmed the closure of Britain's largest gas field in response to Chancellor George Osborne's windfall tax on North Sea profits.

The company said a month ago that it would probably not reopen its South Morecambe field, after four weeks of planned maintenance. It says the higher tax rate has rendered it uncommercial.

In a surprise move, Mr Osborne raised the effective tax rate on production profits to at least 62pc and up to 81pc for older fields in his March budget when oil prices are more than $75 per barrel.

However, companies have complained that this unfairly penalises gas fields, because the gas prices is comparatively much lower than the oil price.

Producers have warned the tax regime will hasten the decline of the industry because it makes older fields uneconomic.

They claim it may also hit the UK's energy security by increasing the reliance on imports, while continued tax changes have made Britain one of the world's most unstable financial regimes for producers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/en...

Eric Mc

125,779 posts

295 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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It's called brinkmanship.

Oakey

27,984 posts

246 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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Eric Mc said:
It's called brinkmanship.
coined by John Foster Dulles, Eisenhowers Secretary of State

I may or may not be reading Skunk Works at the moment

Bing o

15,184 posts

249 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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Eric Mc said:
It's called brinkmanship.
Eric, you've missed the fact that not only does the post have a mis-leading/unclear title, it is also a report of another mis-leading title here:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...

Eric Mc

125,779 posts

295 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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PHers need to put their sensible heads on when creating thread titles in order to reduce the chances of thread duplication, triplication etc teacher

The other thread title isn't altogther indicative of the content either.


Oakey

27,984 posts

246 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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For all it's worth they may as well be titled "NP&E Thread #129342"

Bing o

15,184 posts

249 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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Eric Mc said:
PHers need to put their sensible heads on when creating thread titles in order to reduce the chances of thread duplication, triplication etc teacher

The other thread title isn't altogther indicative of the content either.
Bing o already said:
Eric, you've missed the fact that not only does the post have a mis-leading/unclear title, it is also a report of another mis-leading title here:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...

gerradiuk

Original Poster:

1,669 posts

225 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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GO has got himself up a blind alley really. Because the political reality is that he would have to go back to the electorate and say, Sorry, you're all going to have to pay an extra x pence per litre of fuel after all. The Government's spin doctors will love that.

Just for eric ...calm down dear biggrin
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFLD...


Edited by gerradiuk on Thursday 2nd June 12:00

RemainAllHoof

80,138 posts

312 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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Eric Mc said:
PHers need to put their sensible heads on when creating thread titles in order to reduce the chances of thread duplication, triplication etc teacher

The other thread title isn't altogther indicative of the content either.
<mischief>Maybe it's time to start replying to thread titles based on what you guess the topic to be about.<mischief> I do often see bizarre titles and think about posting something irrelevant to the actual topic but answering the thread title just for sts and giggles. I haven't reached that level of boredom yet, though.

gerradiuk

Original Poster:

1,669 posts

225 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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The US hands out tax breaks to keep it's ageing domestic oil production going, our government in their wisdom, on the other hand seem to want to tax it out of business asap. Our easy oil has already gone, we are left with the expensive to get out stuff now. Companies need incentives to keep getting it, not additional expense by way of even more tax.

What then, when more fields are shut and future investment heads elsewhere, reliance on the middle east and russians for our energy, dangerous IMO, we will be at their pricing mercy.

Did the chancellor even think about the consequences of his actions for a 2p cut in fuel duty which has in any case long since evaporated.

Eric Mc

125,779 posts

295 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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RemainAllHoof said:
Eric Mc said:
PHers need to put their sensible heads on when creating thread titles in order to reduce the chances of thread duplication, triplication etc teacher

The other thread title isn't altogther indicative of the content either.
<mischief>Maybe it's time to start replying to thread titles based on what you guess the topic to be about.<mischief> I do often see bizarre titles and think about posting something irrelevant to the actual topic but answering the thread title just for sts and giggles. I haven't reached that level of boredom yet, though.
I actually replied to the thread subject with my first post. Someone else pointed out that the title was not informative - not me. I then responded to THAT post.

Eric Mc

125,779 posts

295 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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gerradiuk said:
The US hands out tax breaks to keep it's ageing domestic oil production going, our government in their wisdom, on the other hand seem to want to tax it out of business asap. Our easy oil has already gone, we are left with the expensive to get out stuff now. Companies need incentives to keep getting it, not additional expense by way of even more tax.

What then, when more fields are shut and future investment heads elsewhere, reliance on the middle east and russians for our energy, dangerous IMO, we will be at their pricing mercy.

Did the chancellor even think about the consequences of his actions for a 2p cut in fuel duty which has in any case long since evaporated.
My hunch is that Centrica want to leave the gas where it is at the moment and let energy prices continue to climb. Better to blame the government than admit they are trying to maximise their profits.

RemainAllHoof

80,138 posts

312 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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Eric Mc said:
I actually replied to the thread subject with my first post. Someone else pointed out that the title was not informative - not me. I then responded to THAT post.
I wasn't criticising. I was suggesting this should be done in future for my personal amusement.

Example answer:
Don't do that, you might get a bald patch.

Eric Mc

125,779 posts

295 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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RemainAllHoof said:
Eric Mc said:
I actually replied to the thread subject with my first post. Someone else pointed out that the title was not informative - not me. I then responded to THAT post.
I wasn't criticising. I was suggesting this should be done in future for my personal amusement.

Example answer:
Don't do that, you might get a bald patch.
Too late for me.

Targarama

14,789 posts

313 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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Eric Mc said:
My hunch is that Centrica want to leave the gas where it is at the moment and let energy prices continue to climb. Better to blame the government than admit they are trying to maximise their profits.
This. We have some coal left too, I'm sure it will be economical to dig it out at some point in the future.

RemainAllHoof

80,138 posts

312 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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Eric Mc said:
RemainAllHoof said:
Eric Mc said:
I actually replied to the thread subject with my first post. Someone else pointed out that the title was not informative - not me. I then responded to THAT post.
I wasn't criticising. I was suggesting this should be done in future for my personal amusement.

Example answer:
Don't do that, you might get a bald patch.
Too late for me.
Then your reply could have been "Don't do that or you'll end up like me." biggrin

s2art

18,942 posts

283 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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Eric Mc said:
My hunch is that Centrica want to leave the gas where it is at the moment and let energy prices continue to climb. Better to blame the government than admit they are trying to maximise their profits.
Then they are taking a big gamble that shale gas extraction is not going to depress gas prices further.

Eric Mc

125,779 posts

295 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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s2art said:
Eric Mc said:
My hunch is that Centrica want to leave the gas where it is at the moment and let energy prices continue to climb. Better to blame the government than admit they are trying to maximise their profits.
Then they are taking a big gamble that shale gas extraction is not going to depress gas prices further.
Business is all about taking risks. They can probably afford to take such risks better than many other businesses.

gerradiuk

Original Poster:

1,669 posts

225 months

Friday 3rd June 2011
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f you want to increase tax revenue then you should reduce tax, it's historically proven, but I guess we don't have too many scholars in the treasury.

The added bonus with the energy industry here is it would extend rather than shorten it's lifespan, make harder oil more likely to be explored and exploited, with the brucie bonus of improving technical expertise which can be exported.

Been a long time since we could call ourselves world leaders. Unfortunately here we will be world leaders at shutting off our own energy early and being in thrall to Russia and the middle east for our power. In a competition between USA and China I would guess we have the smallest pockets.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

234 months

Friday 3rd June 2011
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Once you realise the priorites of our leaders it becomes hugely clear

Priority Scale of an MP

1) Will it win them more votes
2) Will it make good headlines
3) Can i make money out of
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58) Have i put the cat out?
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345) Will it be good for the country?