War on Drugs a failure. :surprisedface:
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13624303
OK, hands up everyone who couldn't see this coming.
OK, hands up everyone who couldn't see this coming.
The Article said:
"Political leaders and public figures should have the courage to articulate publicly what many of them acknowledge privately: that the evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates that repressive strategies will not solve the drug problem, and that the war on drugs has not, and cannot, be won," the report said.
Instead of punishing users who the report says "do no harm to others," the commission argues that governments should end criminalisation of drug use, experiment with legal models that would undermine organised crime syndicates and offer health and treatment services for drug-users.
It calls for drug policies based on methods empirically proven to reduce crime and promote economic and social development.
Predictably, the report has been trashed by the kinds of people whose careers depend on uttering a stream of tough-sounding but empty platitudes on the subject.Instead of punishing users who the report says "do no harm to others," the commission argues that governments should end criminalisation of drug use, experiment with legal models that would undermine organised crime syndicates and offer health and treatment services for drug-users.
It calls for drug policies based on methods empirically proven to reduce crime and promote economic and social development.
CommanderJameson said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13624303
OK, hands up everyone who couldn't see this coming.
Indeed CD, you have to wonder what "they" have to gain by pursuing policies that have failed so obviously. OK, hands up everyone who couldn't see this coming.
The Article said:
"Political leaders and public figures should have the courage to articulate publicly what many of them acknowledge privately: that the evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates that repressive strategies will not solve the drug problem, and that the war on drugs has not, and cannot, be won," the report said.
Instead of punishing users who the report says "do no harm to others," the commission argues that governments should end criminalisation of drug use, experiment with legal models that would undermine organised crime syndicates and offer health and treatment services for drug-users.
It calls for drug policies based on methods empirically proven to reduce crime and promote economic and social development.
Predictably, the report has been trashed by the kinds of people whose careers depend on uttering a stream of tough-sounding but empty platitudes on the subject.Instead of punishing users who the report says "do no harm to others," the commission argues that governments should end criminalisation of drug use, experiment with legal models that would undermine organised crime syndicates and offer health and treatment services for drug-users.
It calls for drug policies based on methods empirically proven to reduce crime and promote economic and social development.
Not a criticism of those on the front line at all BTW.
Way overdue in my opinion.... It's a win win situation, free up the Police to concentrate on real crime, take the money out of the pockets of the dealers, create revenue for the government, whilst also drastically reducing crime, no more need for the addicts to rob your house as most of the class A drugs are cheaper to manufacture than sugar.... Tackle ignorance on drugs, and take away a large part of the allure..... It should have been done decades ago!!
JBL930 said:
Way overdue in my opinion.... It's a win win situation, free up the Police to concentrate on real crime, take the money out of the pockets of the dealers, create revenue for the government, whilst also drastically reducing crime, no more need for the addicts to rob your house as most of the class A drugs are cheaper to manufacture than sugar.... Tackle ignorance on drugs, and take away a large part of the allure..... It should have been done decades ago!!
It will be sold for a similar price to what it sells for now surely? If that's what's it's worth, and the draw to it is so strong people will still steal from others to get the money they need.The war on drugs isn't working for a number of reasons at both ends of the market.
AshVX220 said:
It will be sold for a similar price to what it sells for now surely? If that's what's it's worth, and the draw to it is so strong people will still steal from others to get the money they need.
The war on drugs isn't working for a number of reasons at both ends of the market.
Why would it? That gram of coke costs £50 because of the risks of getting the stuff into the country. A kilo of flake here is £50k, at its point of origin it's about £1k.The war on drugs isn't working for a number of reasons at both ends of the market.
JBL930 said:
Way overdue in my opinion.... It's a win win situation, free up the Police to concentrate on real crime, take the money out of the pockets of the dealers, create revenue for the government, whilst also drastically reducing crime, no more need for the addicts to rob your house as most of the class A drugs are cheaper to manufacture than sugar.... Tackle ignorance on drugs, and take away a large part of the allure..... It should have been done decades ago!!
Agree entirely, if you look at the situation logically its the only sensible solution, imho of course...AshVX220 said:
JBL930 said:
Way overdue in my opinion.... It's a win win situation, free up the Police to concentrate on real crime, take the money out of the pockets of the dealers, create revenue for the government, whilst also drastically reducing crime, no more need for the addicts to rob your house as most of the class A drugs are cheaper to manufacture than sugar.... Tackle ignorance on drugs, and take away a large part of the allure..... It should have been done decades ago!!
It will be sold for a similar price to what it sells for now surely? If that's what's it's worth, and the draw to it is so strong people will still steal from others to get the money they need.The war on drugs isn't working for a number of reasons at both ends of the market.
I don't use drugs anymore, i drink and that is it. I have played with just about everything in the past, and usually when acquiring said substances i have been hanging around the scum of the earth, and not entirely sure what i'm really getting.... This is a way of getting rid of a lot of the danger, cutting out the black market, putting money back into the government, lowering crime etc etc..... It's a no brainer
Frankeh said:
If heroin was legal tomorrow, I still wouldn't f
king do it. Legalize it all, turn the criminals in tax paying businessmen.
And almost all of the normal people in the world wouldn't either.... Just because it's available from the chemist, people wouldn't turn into zombies.... It's nanny state at its worst, couldn't agree moreking do it. Legalize it all, turn the criminals in tax paying businessmen. The Daily Mash has a typically good take on it:
"A NEW high-level report on drug policy makes so much sense that people reading it have had to double check they are not off their tits.
The report, produced by a panel of international statesmen who probably do not own one of those really, really big bongs, said the war on drugs is unwinnable and calls for all the things that experts who know exactly what they are talking about have been saying for years."
More: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/people-...
"A NEW high-level report on drug policy makes so much sense that people reading it have had to double check they are not off their tits.
The report, produced by a panel of international statesmen who probably do not own one of those really, really big bongs, said the war on drugs is unwinnable and calls for all the things that experts who know exactly what they are talking about have been saying for years."
More: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/people-...
JBL930 said:
And almost all of the normal people in the world wouldn't either.... Just because it's available from the chemist, people wouldn't turn into zombies.... It's nanny state at its worst, couldn't agree more
You can achieve a similar effect by extracting codeine from co-codamol yet I don't feel inclined to do that. A mate once gave me 2 x 50mg of Codeine for a headache (stupidly I didn't question what they were, I just asked for 'headache pills') and I swear to god, it was the worst feeling in the world, why anyone would choose to be in that state I do not know. Oakey said:
Why would it? That gram of coke costs £50 because of the risks of getting the stuff into the country. A kilo of flake here is £50k, at its point of origin it's about £1k.
I have no idea how much the stuff costs, having never been interested. But it will get taxed to the rafters putting the price through the roof and out of reach of your average user. If people are happy to pay £50 for it, then that's its value, the government will try and get as much tax as possible out of it.AshVX220 said:
Oakey said:
Why would it? That gram of coke costs £50 because of the risks of getting the stuff into the country. A kilo of flake here is £50k, at its point of origin it's about £1k.
I have no idea how much the stuff costs, having never been interested. But it will get taxed to the rafters putting the price through the roof and out of reach of your average user. If people are happy to pay £50 for it, then that's its value, the government will try and get as much tax as possible out of it.So you'd get a nice big tax haul and safe drugs with known strength. Win win.
Mojocvh said:
Indeed CD, you have to wonder what "they" have to gain by pursuing policies that have failed so obviously.
It's very simple, "they" gain votes.Frankeh said:
If heroin was legal tomorrow, I still wouldn't fking do it. Legalize it all, turn the criminals in tax paying businessmen.
I will say this is on argument against legalising drugsking do it. Legalize it all, turn the criminals in tax paying businessmen. Current situation is drug delers spend the profits on rangerovers with dubious bodykits.
Legalise it and the money goes to the government who will just waste it.
Lets keep it illegal
Or if we are to leglise it then make it free for dolites as they can then sit in the corner out of their brains on drugs instead of nicking my telly
AshVX220 said:
I have no idea how much the stuff costs, having never been interested. But it will get taxed to the rafters putting the price through the roof and out of reach of your average user. If people are happy to pay £50 for it, then that's its value, the government will try and get as much tax as possible out of it.
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