Would you agree to a penny extra for elderly health care?
Poll: Would you agree to a penny extra for elderly health care?
Total Members Polled: 142
Discussion
Assuming you mean a penny in the pound, no. I pay enough tax already. If anything we need to stop throwing money away on non-english speaking immigrants and dole dossing scum, wars in countries halfway around the world and fat cat politicians and bankers, THAT I would like to see finance care for the elderly.
dickymint said:
Assuming this penny tax was "ring fenced" and no means testing allowed?
If so, why then, don't we just do it?
Because everyone has an 'it'll only cost 1p' idea? Tot 'em up and we may just as well hand over our entire salary.If so, why then, don't we just do it?
I voted 'no' on principle; the government only waste the money they steal from us each month.
My father in law has dementia, he has worked all his life paid hundreds of thousands of pounds in tax over his 78 years, he has just had to be put in a home with nursing care, this home costs £5000 a month! How much help does he get from the government towards his care? Absolutely zero. Why? Because he worked hard, saved hard, and has assets. Yet had he been unemployed not payed a penny in tax, the government would have payed for his care. So why should the tax payer have to pay a penny? A penny that a lot of taxpayers will never ever benefit from.
What about we change the law so taxpayers actually get something out of the country that they financially support.
What about we change the law so taxpayers actually get something out of the country that they financially support.
The thing that always irritates me is that if an elderly person has worked all their life, saved hard, paid their taxes, bought their house from their efforts - the state takes a vast chunk (if not all of it) in their hour of need.
If, on the other hand, you've had a lifetime on benefits, not worked, not saved, have been irresponsible all your life - guess what? Free care when you're elderly.
What encouragement...!
P101 said:
My father in law has dementia, he has worked all his life paid hundreds of thousands of pounds in tax over his 78 years, he has just had to be put in a home with nursing care, this home costs £5000 a month! How much help does he get from the government towards his care? Absolutely zero. Why? Because he worked hard, saved hard, and has assets. Yet had he been unemployed not payed a penny in tax, the government would have payed for his care. So why should the tax payer have to pay a penny? A penny that a lot of taxpayers will never ever benefit from.
What about we change the law so taxpayers actually get something out of the country that they financially support.
Exactly the same as my grandmother. A war widow, she worked her entire life, bought a house and paid off the mortgage over the years. She developed a form of dementia and my mother had to sell her home to pay for her care. If she'd have pissed all her money up the wall and spunked it all, she'd be in exactly the same place just ring paid for by the government. It does not pay to save. I know when I hit 60, my kids will get given all of my assets. What about we change the law so taxpayers actually get something out of the country that they financially support.
Dementia is an illness. It should be sorted by the NHS.
I voted yes.
However lets be honest; the main beneficiaries of the taxpayer standing the cost are the children who stand to inherit. So either the taxpayer loses out or the children lose their inheritance.
The argument that Dad/Mum worked all their lives and paid thousands in tax is tenuous; much of the tax will have been spent on education, healthcare, pension, and law and order (assuming they didn't receive ANY income-related benefits during their working life).
To put it another way; If Ive worked all my life yet lose my job at 50, should I be entitled to benefits when Ive got £200k in the bank?
However lets be honest; the main beneficiaries of the taxpayer standing the cost are the children who stand to inherit. So either the taxpayer loses out or the children lose their inheritance.
The argument that Dad/Mum worked all their lives and paid thousands in tax is tenuous; much of the tax will have been spent on education, healthcare, pension, and law and order (assuming they didn't receive ANY income-related benefits during their working life).
To put it another way; If Ive worked all my life yet lose my job at 50, should I be entitled to benefits when Ive got £200k in the bank?
KrazyIvan said:
I think we should be doing more to instil some family values and encourage more families to care for there elderly members, rather then expecting the state and every one else to take care of them.
A fine sentiment, but you must understand that for medical reasons it is not always possible for families to provide the appropriate care.amirzed said:
Being in the industry myself I would say yes, but, it would have to go to an independant organisation that was in no way linked to the NHS or PCT thieving organisations.
There are a lot more single people entering retirement now, they will need help.
Would you trust the likes of Southern Care with your parents' welfare?There are a lot more single people entering retirement now, they will need help.
i think there would be a conflict of interest between provision of care and generation of profit.
KrazyIvan said:
I think we should be doing more to instil some family values and encourage more families to care for there elderly members, rather then expecting the state and every one else to take care of them.
The answer is not more money, but more values.
I couldn't agree with you more. It will be a cold day in hell before either of my parents go into a care home.The answer is not more money, but more values.
However the practicalities of life in the UK mean that it is now almost de rigeur for both husband and wife to be working. Combine this with normal childcare pressures and you can see how difficult it would be for men/women to care for their elderly parents.
P101 said:
My father in law has dementia, he has worked all his life paid hundreds of thousands of pounds in tax over his 78 years, he has just had to be put in a home with nursing care, this home costs £5000 a month! How much help does he get from the government towards his care? Absolutely zero. Why? Because he worked hard, saved hard, and has assets. Yet had he been unemployed not payed a penny in tax, the government would have payed for his care. So why should the tax payer have to pay a penny? A penny that a lot of taxpayers will never ever benefit from.
What about we change the law so taxpayers actually get something out of the country that they financially support.
You pay £60,000 a year for your Father-in-law to be looked after in a home? You could afford to employ a couple of people full time yourself for that amount..... its madness! I guess the care home owners drive around in Bentlys though.....What about we change the law so taxpayers actually get something out of the country that they financially support.
mattviatura said:
Countdown said:
Would you trust the likes of Southern Care with your parents' welfare?
You mean Southern Cross and I suspect you are talking from a position of ignorance. There are some very well run Southern Cross homes.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff