Missing MOD Assets
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14018288
So where do we thing these have gone? Some shocking figures there.
So where do we thing these have gone? Some shocking figures there.
BoRED S2upid said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14018288
So where do we thing these have gone? Some shocking figures there.
The report suggests its mostly an 'accounting' issue.So where do we thing these have gone? Some shocking figures there.
Heres an example of where accounting might be difficult: Two recent and ongoing wars. Many vehicles destroyed in battle (land rovers, APC's, even the odd helicopter). Lets say a Land Rover gets blown to smitheriens by an insurgent mine. How is the record of the equipment that might have been temporarily in that land Rover updated? How many radios were destroyed? What were their serial numbers? How are they accounted for?
The answer is no body probably knows. Only when the accountants do an audit do they find some radios unaccounted for, so they raise an issue. Who knows whats happened to them? No body, for sure. War, aftrer all, means equipment as well as personel goes missing. A friend of mine was on patrol when a colleague of his was blown up by a land mine. The explosion was huge, and the body effectivly vaporised. Was his kit all accounted for?> Probably the larger items, like his weapon, but not smaller stuff, which joined the 'red mist'. But its on a spreadsheet smewhere so must eb accounted for.
The majority of missing kit that we should be concerned about is that stuff which is missing because its never been delivered, like those Chinooks. Its missing from the front line due to MOD incompetance.
Corsair7 said:
The report suggests its mostly an 'accounting' issue.
Heres an example of where accounting might be difficult: Two recent and ongoing wars. Many vehicles destroyed in battle (land rovers, APC's, even the odd helicopter). Lets say a Land Rover gets blown to smitheriens by an insurgent mine. How is the record of the equipment that might have been temporarily in that land Rover updated? How many radios were destroyed? What were their serial numbers? How are they accounted for?
The answer is no body probably knows. Only when the accountants do an audit do they find some radios unaccounted for, so they raise an issue. Who knows whats happened to them? No body, for sure. War, aftrer all, means equipment as well as personel goes missing. A friend of mine was on patrol when a colleague of his was blown up by a land mine. The explosion was huge, and the body effectivly vaporised. Was his kit all accounted for?> Probably the larger items, like his weapon, but not smaller stuff, which joined the 'red mist'. But its on a spreadsheet smewhere so must eb accounted for.
The majority of missing kit that we should be concerned about is that stuff which is missing because its never been delivered, like those Chinooks. Its missing from the front line due to MOD incompetance.
Yup. I think it would be vital to send at least one accountant and a lawyer out with each patrol to keep an accurate log on kit as well as health and safety.Heres an example of where accounting might be difficult: Two recent and ongoing wars. Many vehicles destroyed in battle (land rovers, APC's, even the odd helicopter). Lets say a Land Rover gets blown to smitheriens by an insurgent mine. How is the record of the equipment that might have been temporarily in that land Rover updated? How many radios were destroyed? What were their serial numbers? How are they accounted for?
The answer is no body probably knows. Only when the accountants do an audit do they find some radios unaccounted for, so they raise an issue. Who knows whats happened to them? No body, for sure. War, aftrer all, means equipment as well as personel goes missing. A friend of mine was on patrol when a colleague of his was blown up by a land mine. The explosion was huge, and the body effectivly vaporised. Was his kit all accounted for?> Probably the larger items, like his weapon, but not smaller stuff, which joined the 'red mist'. But its on a spreadsheet smewhere so must eb accounted for.
The majority of missing kit that we should be concerned about is that stuff which is missing because its never been delivered, like those Chinooks. Its missing from the front line due to MOD incompetance.
This would have the added benefit of making any accountant who survives a damn site more interesting when stuck next to them at the dining table and lawyers could prove to be quite handy during close quarters confrontations as they can rush in, stick a knife in the enemy back and then run away with all their possessions.
Saddle bum said:
When a storage shed at Donnington went up quite a few years back, the recorded losses would have filled the thing ten times over!!
Same thing happened with the sinking of The Atlantic Conveyor. Its a wonder the thing floated in the first place with the amount of stuff that was supposed to have been on it.Corsair7 said:
BoRED S2upid said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14018288
So where do we thing these have gone? Some shocking figures there.
The report suggests its mostly an 'accounting' issue.So where do we thing these have gone? Some shocking figures there.
Heres an example of where accounting might be difficult: Two recent and ongoing wars. Many vehicles destroyed in battle (land rovers, APC's, even the odd helicopter). Lets say a Land Rover gets blown to smitheriens by an insurgent mine. How is the record of the equipment that might have been temporarily in that land Rover updated? How many radios were destroyed? What were their serial numbers? How are they accounted for?
The answer is no body probably knows. Only when the accountants do an audit do they find some radios unaccounted for, so they raise an issue. Who knows whats happened to them? No body, for sure. War, aftrer all, means equipment as well as personel goes missing. A friend of mine was on patrol when a colleague of his was blown up by a land mine. The explosion was huge, and the body effectivly vaporised. Was his kit all accounted for?> Probably the larger items, like his weapon, but not smaller stuff, which joined the 'red mist'. But its on a spreadsheet smewhere so must eb accounted for.
The majority of missing kit that we should be concerned about is that stuff which is missing because its never been delivered, like those Chinooks. Its missing from the front line due to MOD incompetance.
When the next section head took over he refused to sign for the boxes he was sure there was stuff missing. We looked into it, and sure enough the "tool box" should have read "tool kit", and it was meant to contain various gauges and spare parts which should have been on the list.
The cost to replace each tool kit was 25k, and as the person responsible my boss told me I could be held liable. If it had been £50 I'd have been concerned, but 50k was so high it was laughable. The kit was written off. When we got the replacement items it was mostly go/no-go guages etc, the sort of thing I could make in a machine shop in a couple of days.
Corsair7 said:
The report suggests its mostly an 'accounting' issue.
Heres an example of where accounting might be difficult: Two recent and ongoing wars. Many vehicles destroyed in battle (land rovers, APC's, even the odd helicopter). Lets say a Land Rover gets blown to smitheriens by an insurgent mine. How is the record of the equipment that might have been temporarily in that land Rover updated? How many radios were destroyed? What were their serial numbers? How are they accounted for?
The answer is no body probably knows. Only when the accountants do an audit do they find some radios unaccounted for, so they raise an issue. Who knows whats happened to them? No body, for sure. War, aftrer all, means equipment as well as personel goes missing. A friend of mine was on patrol when a colleague of his was blown up by a land mine. The explosion was huge, and the body effectivly vaporised. Was his kit all accounted for?> Probably the larger items, like his weapon, but not smaller stuff, which joined the 'red mist'. But its on a spreadsheet smewhere so must eb accounted for.
The majority of missing kit that we should be concerned about is that stuff which is missing because its never been delivered, like those Chinooks. Its missing from the front line due to MOD incompetance.
When going out on patrol in a vehicle all the radios will have their serial numbers checked and signed for. This goes for all other equipment that is contained in the vehicle so there will be a record of all equipment should the worse happen.Heres an example of where accounting might be difficult: Two recent and ongoing wars. Many vehicles destroyed in battle (land rovers, APC's, even the odd helicopter). Lets say a Land Rover gets blown to smitheriens by an insurgent mine. How is the record of the equipment that might have been temporarily in that land Rover updated? How many radios were destroyed? What were their serial numbers? How are they accounted for?
The answer is no body probably knows. Only when the accountants do an audit do they find some radios unaccounted for, so they raise an issue. Who knows whats happened to them? No body, for sure. War, aftrer all, means equipment as well as personel goes missing. A friend of mine was on patrol when a colleague of his was blown up by a land mine. The explosion was huge, and the body effectivly vaporised. Was his kit all accounted for?> Probably the larger items, like his weapon, but not smaller stuff, which joined the 'red mist'. But its on a spreadsheet smewhere so must eb accounted for.
The majority of missing kit that we should be concerned about is that stuff which is missing because its never been delivered, like those Chinooks. Its missing from the front line due to MOD incompetance.
In my experience (very recent) getting out of camp on a patrol requires more accounting and paperwork than you can imagine.
I would suggest a lot of the waste is simply hoarded away. You could go into any building on an Army camp and find vast quantities of equipment that has been procured and simply never used or signed for in the correct way so that people are accountable for it.
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