Is this really how the Australians see us??
Is this really how the Australians see us??
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R11ysf

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212 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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A very interesting article from The Australian which is, sadly, pretty hard to disagree with on the face of it.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/briti...


Article said:
THE riots in London and elsewhere in Britain are a backhanded tribute to the long-term intellectual torpor, moral cowardice, incompetence and careerist opportunism of the British political and intellectual class.

They have somehow managed not to notice what has long been apparent to anyone who has taken a short walk with his eyes open down any frequented British street: that a considerable proportion of the country's young population (a proportion that is declining) is ugly, aggressive, vicious, badly educated, uncouth and criminally inclined.

Unfortunately, while it is totally lacking in self-respect, it is full of self-esteem: that is to say, it believes itself entitled to a high standard of living, and other things, without any effort on its own part.

Consider for a moment the following: although youth unemployment in Britain is very high, that is to say about 20 per cent of those aged under 25, the country has had to import young foreign labour for a long time, even for unskilled work in the service sector.

The reasons for this seeming paradox are obvious to anyone who knows young Britons as I do.

No sensible employer in a service industry would choose a young Briton if he could have a young Pole; the young Pole is not only likely to have a good work ethic and refined manners, he is likely to be able to add up and -- most humiliating of all -- to speak better English than the Briton, at least if by that we mean the standard variety of the language. He may not be more fluent but his English will be more correct and his accent easier to understand.

This is not an exaggeration. After compulsory education (or perhaps I should say intermittent attendance at school) up to the age of 16 costing $80,000 a head, about one-quarter of British children cannot read with facility or do simple arithmetic. It makes you proud to be a British taxpayer.

I think I can say with a fair degree of certainty, from my experience as a doctor in one of the areas in which a police station has just been burned down, that half of those rioting would reply to the question, "Can you do arithmetic?" by answering, "What is arithmetic?"

British youth leads the Western world in almost all aspects of social pathology, from teenage pregnancy to drug taking, from drunkenness to violent criminality. There is no form of bad behaviour that our version of the welfare state has not sought out and subsidised.

British children are much likelier to have a television in their bedroom than a father living at home. One-third of them never eat a meal at a table with another member of their household -- family is not the word for the social arrangements of the people in the areas from which the rioters mainly come. They are therefore radically unsocialised and deeply egotistical, viewing relations with other human beings in the same way as Lenin: Who whom, who does what to whom. By the time they grow up, they are destined not only for unemployment but unemployability.

For young women in much of Britain, dependence does not mean dependence on the government: that, for them, is independence. Dependence means any kind of reliance on the men who have impregnated them who, of course, regard their own subventions from the state as pocket money, to be supplemented by a little light trafficking. (According to his brother, Mark Duggan, the man whose death at the hands of the probably incompetent police allegedly sparked the riots, "was involved in things", which things being delicately left to the imagination of his interlocutor.)

Relatively poor as the rioting sector of society is, it nevertheless possesses all the electronic equipment necessary for the prosecution of the main business of life; that is to say, entertainment by popular culture. And what a culture British popular culture is!

Perhaps Amy Winehouse was its finest flower and its truest representative in her militant and ideological vulgarity, her stupid taste, her vile personal conduct and preposterous self-pity.

Her sordid life was a long bath in vomitus, literal and metaphorical, for which the exercise of her very minor talent was no excuse or explanation. Yet not a peep of dissent from our intelllectual class was heard after her near canonisation after her death, that class having long had the backbone of a mollusc.

Criminality is scarcely repressed any more in Britain. The last lord chief justice but two thought that burglary was a minor offence, not worthy of imprisonment, and the next chief justice agreed with him.

By the age of 12, an ordinary slum-dweller has learned he has nothing to fear from the law and the only people to fear are those who are stronger or more ruthless than he.

Punishments are derisory; the police are simultaneously bullying but ineffectual and incompetent, increasingly dressed in paraphernalia that makes them look more like the occupiers of Afghanistan than the force imagined by Robert Peel. The people who most fear our police are the innocent.

Of course, none of this reduces the personal responsibility of the rioters. But the riots are a manifestation of a society in full decomposition, of a people with neither leaders nor followers but composed only of egotists.

200bhp

5,802 posts

249 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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Assuming the author is a white Aussie, have they forgotten how their ancestors came to be in Australia in the first place ? wink

R11ysf

Original Poster:

1,968 posts

212 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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True, but does that mean they established society of the honour of thieves?

aizvara

2,067 posts

197 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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200bhp said:
Assuming the author is a white Aussie, have they forgotten how their ancestors came to be in Australia in the first place ? wink
He's british.

loafer123

16,751 posts

245 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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I was expecting to disagree with that article.

I don't.

DieselGriff

5,160 posts

289 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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200bhp said:
Assuming the author is a white Aussie, have they forgotten how their ancestors came to be in Australia in the first place ? wink
Does it matter?

Thom987

3,185 posts

196 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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200bhp said:
Assuming the author is a white Aussie, have they forgotten how their ancestors came to be in Australia in the first place ? wink
Don't shoot the messenger.

MX7

7,902 posts

204 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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The author is British.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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Scathingly accurate.

Xtype

2,885 posts

228 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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I disagree with a number of his points.

loafer123

16,751 posts

245 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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Xtype said:
I disagree with a number of his points.
Do we have to guess which ones? What do we win?

BertieWooster

4,107 posts

194 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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I can't find anything written there that I don't disagree with. Makes me ashamed to be British quite frankly.

Bertie W

Northern Munkee

5,354 posts

230 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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I dont know the writer, but reading the article in the post I'm having a hard time picking any holes with his critique.

Aside from we are not ALL egotists.

It's depressing. Does he also have any answers on a way back?

ShayneJ

1,073 posts

209 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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200bhp said:
Assuming the author is a white Aussie, have they forgotten how their ancestors came to be in Australia in the first place ? wink
That may be so but much as it pains me it does not make his observation
wrong sadlyfrown

Trommel

20,651 posts

289 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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Northern Munkee said:
Does he also have any answers on a way back?
Transport them to the colonies.

200bhp

5,802 posts

249 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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Perhaps I should have make the winking smiley a little bigger at the end of my first post above.

I thoroughly agree with pretty much everything that has been written.

Oh, I'm also moving to Western Australia next year biggrin

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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makes miserable reading. 'cos its true. innit

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

215 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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Seems to be some well made points as far as I can see.

The UK does seem to sadly still have the Empire mentality and seems to think it's beyond accepting criticism, or even just advice from outside. Clearly we're not doing things right so I think it's time to explore all avenues.. and listen to what others have to say.

IMHO of course.

Bowler

915 posts

241 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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Hammer
Nail
Head

fking depressing that we live here isn't it?




Prof Prolapse

16,163 posts

220 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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Written by an ignorant, miserable bd with the Daily Mail as his only point of reference.