Was just checking the Sunday papers
Discussion
A historic vote on growing demands for Britain to leave the European Union will be held in the House of Commons before Christmas, the Mail on Sunday says.
Home Secretary Theresa May risks an explosive rift inside the coalition with an explicit call for the scrapping of the Human Rights Act, the Sunday Telegraph says.
Bet there will be some spats at the Tory gathering.
Home Secretary Theresa May risks an explosive rift inside the coalition with an explicit call for the scrapping of the Human Rights Act, the Sunday Telegraph says.
Bet there will be some spats at the Tory gathering.
Pesty said:
Don't understand that first headline I thought it had been reported today that this sites favourite Haig has said there will never be a referendum.
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IIRC he wasn't especially fond of the Germans, and he did say it would all be over by Christmas...
Edited by davepoth on Sunday 2nd October 00:11
Guardian said:
Conservative conference: Britain should remain in EU, Cameron insists
Amid reports that MPs will debate holding a referendum on UK's continued membership, Cameron says leaving union is 'wrong answer for Britain'
David Cameron has ruled out supporting a referendum on UK membership of the European Union.
The prime minister made his comments amid reports that a one-day debate will be staged before Christmas on a referendum on EU membership because more than 100,000 people have signed a petition requesting it take place.
The vote will not be binding on the government, but majority support for such a move would intensify pressure on the coalition government to put the issue to the country.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/oct/02/conservative-conference-britain-remain-eu-cameronAmid reports that MPs will debate holding a referendum on UK's continued membership, Cameron says leaving union is 'wrong answer for Britain'
David Cameron has ruled out supporting a referendum on UK membership of the European Union.
The prime minister made his comments amid reports that a one-day debate will be staged before Christmas on a referendum on EU membership because more than 100,000 people have signed a petition requesting it take place.
The vote will not be binding on the government, but majority support for such a move would intensify pressure on the coalition government to put the issue to the country.
Victor McDade said:
The vote in favour of a referendum will not be binding though. Dave and co will just ignore it and blame the Lib Dems like they've done for much of their policy back tracking.
I think this is entirely accurate.Edited by Victor McDade on Saturday 1st October 23:50
David Cameron may be an improvement on Winky but he is NOT a steady hand on the tiller. The policies change quicker than a Tarts Knickers.
And that is pretty quick
It's going to be an interesting few weeks regarding the EU. This week their accounts will show that the net contribution per household has gone up from £171 to £299. In addition EU fraud and 'irregularities' hit £1.6 billion last year, and this is only what is reported.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...
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I wonder what the advice from Blair is? 
I think the talk of all U Turns is a bit harsh, some things are billed as u turns by the BBC when neither party even proposed they'd do anything. Labour's promises not being fulfilled by Conservative's are billed as U-Turns now. The Tories didnt back down on tuition fees despite the student protests and plenty of rioting. Ken Clarke did back down very quickly on some of his justice reforms after a poorly worded BBC interview and all of that hug a hoodie stuff was thankfully cast into the dustbin during the Riots in August when Conservatives did what they do well, condemn scum and scrotes. Notably the Lib Dems were hardly anywhere to be seen during that episode.
The problem is they come out with a tagline rather than a policy. They announce something very brief and vague like 'we will relax the planning laws' without any real details behind it to back it up, so it leaves everyone to draw their own conclusion from a policy which hasnt been invented yet. I'd rather they write the book before telling us the title.
Cameron himself was elected leader because he's not old, grey or bald. The Conservatives struggled with image years after Thatcher was gone with the likes of Major, Hague and tragically Howard as being old fashioned, stuffy and 'nasty'. So they had to get someone new, fresh, with a 'new dynamic approach' to appeal to the floating voter, the younger voter and those disillusioned with Labour but in doing that the Tories have ended up with a Blair-esque babble merchant who is far too wishy washy to come across as a competant Conservative Prime Minister. Maybe if they get re-elected on their own in 2015 it may be different, as the inner-Government political game will be gone. So far, Clegg and the Lib Dems have taken the majority of the kicking, Tories even gained council seats this year so overall they're not doing too badly.
During the election all three parties fought to gain 'the middle ground' and all agreed with each other. It was hard to tell them apart on most matters which only helped engineer the Hung Parliament which surely the Tories didnt want?! You had the competant talkers in Cammy and Clegg and the tragic figure of Brown for whom public image and charisma really isnt his game and was fish-in-a-barrel in TV debates. Cameron talks too much, this morning with Andrew Marr he just babbled constantly without saying anything, almost afraid that he's not explained himself he just keeps talking and talking. He needs to stop talking about 'difficult decisions' and how Labour messed everything up we've got that now, now start talking about what you're going to do about it.
I think the talk of all U Turns is a bit harsh, some things are billed as u turns by the BBC when neither party even proposed they'd do anything. Labour's promises not being fulfilled by Conservative's are billed as U-Turns now. The Tories didnt back down on tuition fees despite the student protests and plenty of rioting. Ken Clarke did back down very quickly on some of his justice reforms after a poorly worded BBC interview and all of that hug a hoodie stuff was thankfully cast into the dustbin during the Riots in August when Conservatives did what they do well, condemn scum and scrotes. Notably the Lib Dems were hardly anywhere to be seen during that episode.
The problem is they come out with a tagline rather than a policy. They announce something very brief and vague like 'we will relax the planning laws' without any real details behind it to back it up, so it leaves everyone to draw their own conclusion from a policy which hasnt been invented yet. I'd rather they write the book before telling us the title.
Cameron himself was elected leader because he's not old, grey or bald. The Conservatives struggled with image years after Thatcher was gone with the likes of Major, Hague and tragically Howard as being old fashioned, stuffy and 'nasty'. So they had to get someone new, fresh, with a 'new dynamic approach' to appeal to the floating voter, the younger voter and those disillusioned with Labour but in doing that the Tories have ended up with a Blair-esque babble merchant who is far too wishy washy to come across as a competant Conservative Prime Minister. Maybe if they get re-elected on their own in 2015 it may be different, as the inner-Government political game will be gone. So far, Clegg and the Lib Dems have taken the majority of the kicking, Tories even gained council seats this year so overall they're not doing too badly.
During the election all three parties fought to gain 'the middle ground' and all agreed with each other. It was hard to tell them apart on most matters which only helped engineer the Hung Parliament which surely the Tories didnt want?! You had the competant talkers in Cammy and Clegg and the tragic figure of Brown for whom public image and charisma really isnt his game and was fish-in-a-barrel in TV debates. Cameron talks too much, this morning with Andrew Marr he just babbled constantly without saying anything, almost afraid that he's not explained himself he just keeps talking and talking. He needs to stop talking about 'difficult decisions' and how Labour messed everything up we've got that now, now start talking about what you're going to do about it.
Edited by martin84 on Sunday 2nd October 17:42
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