Atheists drive for wider global impact

[Mermaid]

Is this the fastest growing "faith" in the West? Globally?

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/10/11/oukoe-uk-...

[V88Dicky]

Imagine there's no religion

[Happy82]

If traditional religion goes, people will just find something else to believe in and follow mindlessly. Sheep-like people will always be sheep and follow the herd.

[chris watton]

Happy82 said:

If traditional religion goes, people will just find something else to believe in and follow mindlessly. Sheep-like people will always be sheep and follow the herd.

They already do - environmentalism!

[TheD]

V88Dicky said:

Imagine there's no religion

[Mermaid]

In the article:

"..they argue that morality is based in human nature and does not need a father-figure god to back it up with punishment in an afterlife"

[Jasandjules]

chris watton said:

Happy82 said:

If traditional religion goes, people will just find something else to believe in and follow mindlessly. Sheep-like people will always be sheep and follow the herd.

They already do - environmentalism!

Well, Co2 ism. Nothing wrong with being environmentally friendly, the issue is the s**t people who are too stupid to think for themselves believing that CO2 is a problem and shark finning, deforestation, harsh chemicals etc are not......

[Facefirst]

Funny, you should mention CO2. The link between climate change denial and creationism is well known. Atheists, in my experience, tend to be more comfortable with science.

[mondeoman]

Facefirst said:

Funny, you should mention CO2. The link between climate change denial and creationism is well known. Atheists, in my experience, tend to be more comfortable with science.

oh come on then, I'll bite, do tell...

[thinfourth2]

Who mentioned climate change it set his filter off

Facefirst said:

Funny, you should mention CO2. The link between climate change denial and creationism is well known. Atheists, in my experience, tend to be more comfortable with science.

[otolith]

Mermaid said:

Is this the fastest growing "faith" in the West?

In the sense that baldness is a popular "hairstyle"?

[Facefirst]

thinfourth2 said:

Who mentioned climate change it set his filter off

Facefirst said:

Funny, you should mention CO2. The link between climate change denial and creationism is well known. Atheists, in my experience, tend to be more comfortable with science.

Jasandjules said:

Well, Co2 ism. Nothing wrong with being environmentally friendly, the issue is the s**t people who are too stupid to think for themselves believing that CO2 is a problem and shark finning, deforestation, harsh chemicals etc are not......

Remind me, why are you laughing?

[CommanderJameson]

Jasandjules said:

the issue is the s**t people who are too stupid to think for themselves believing that CO2 is a problem and shark finning, deforestation, harsh chemicals etc are not...

Who thinks that, then?

[V88Dicky]

thinfourth2 said:

Who mentioned climate change it set his filter off

Facefirst said:

Funny, you should mention CO2. The link between climate change denial and creationism is well known. Atheists, in my experience, tend to be more comfortable with science.

Faith;

"Belief in something in which you cannot prove, and in which no evidence exists"


Is that what you mean by faith?

[Jasandjules]

Facefirst said:

Funny, you should mention CO2. The link between climate change denial and creationism is well known. Atheists, in my experience, tend to be more comfortable with science.

Agreed. I am an atheist.

And BTW, calling it "denial" doesn't make it true.....

[robstvr]

CommanderJameson said:

Jasandjules said:

the issue is the s**t people who are too stupid to think for themselves believing that CO2 is a problem and shark finning, deforestation, harsh chemicals etc are not...

Who thinks that, then?

Drift off PH sometime, and you'll find plentiness of mentliness.

I posted on an "environmentalist" forum, and was swiftly blocked, after it was immediately removed by the mod. Mind you, I've got an agenda that isn't st nuts. I thought i was reasoned and balanced.

"Solar panels need sand heated to 600C to produce, and numerous other processes consuming energy and fairly nasty metals. How much carbon do those process emit? How is the low energy density of a wind farm balanced against the energy it required to produce and put in place - and thereafter the consumption of parts? And then there's this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14968... . Water is good. Hydro is good as it does have a high energy density, but it can't happen everywhere, and uses lots of energy during low demand hours to pump water back up on high. It's not free energy, although can be if rivers are used.

etc, etc

We need an energy supply that is sustainable, low carbon (ok, zero carbon) and requires the low consumption of resources to implement. The current renewables which are viable in this regard just don't seem to exist, at least not with how we currently use them. Fusion could be the answer tomorrow, or in 50 years, but until then we need an open and honest debate on what our options are. What is required (and the WWF agree with this) is a transition fuel, with lower carbon, lower political risk (ie, not oil from Libya, etc) than coal or oil.

"

Ok, off topic, but the same zeal shown by "religious" nutters is displayed by environmentalist nutters, so I go with the notion that it is the new religion for the sheep. It is difficult to enter into a balanced discussion with many of these environ-mentalist folk, as they employ the same leaps of 'faith' and beliefs in pseudo science as proof that many religio-mentalists do. Head down, fingers in ears, wa-wa-wa, I'm right, and you're evil.

Edited by robstvr on Tuesday 11th October 13:15

[MX7]

"And Kyriacou points to the failure of politicians to take a stand on social issues like assisted suicide and abortion, where the Catholic church in particular has strong views"

They are both legal in Switzerland. I don't see his point.

[CommanderJameson]

robstvr said:

Ok, off topic, but the same zeal shown by "religious" nutters is displayed by environmentalist nutters, so I go with the notion that it is the new religion for the sheep. It is difficult to enter into a balanced discussion with many of these environ-mentalist folk, as they employ the same leaps of 'faith' and beliefs in pseudo science as proof that many religio-mentalists do. Head down, fingers in ears, wa-wa-wa, I'm right, and you're evil.

Completely agree.

It applies to people on both sides of the enviro-climate debate. I often can't tell who's on which side.

For example: TB comes on here with his graphs and whatnot, and I cannot see how his stuff is, in any way, more compelling than the stuff he rebuts.

I literally do not know who to believe.

Still, if I wait long enough, I'll find out, I guess.

I think that striving for the maximum efficiency and minimum pollution cannot be a bad thing, though.

[dodgyviper]

Facefirst said:

Funny, you should mention CO2. The link between climate change denial and creationism is well known. Atheists, in my experience, tend to be more comfortable with science.

Talking of links - what is the link between CO2 and Climate Change me old mucka.

Ain't seen anything that corrolates the two together yet - well apart from CO2 rising after warming (naturally occuring events don't ya know)

[Jasandjules]

CommanderJameson said:

I think that striving for the maximum efficiency and minimum pollution cannot be a bad thing, though.

Is Co2 a Pollutant though? That's part of the problem here.....................

Now, mining for nickel for Eco Warrior batteries for their cars....