CMD whips Tories to vote against EU Referendum
Discussion
Guam said:
Cameron is so stuffed if he does this, he will become the most hated Tory leader in history.
What a complete moron!!
Indeed - this is near enough a scandal in my view. I'm surprised it hasn't caused more interest on here - though I suppose the 22 by 7s are taking a lot of the interest today.What a complete moron!!
Trommel said:
odyssey2200 said:
Is this the same David Cameron that promised us all a refendum on the EU if he got to be PM?
shirley not?
That was a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, which was enacted before he could do anything about it.shirley not?
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/200...
odyssey2200 said:
Yes:"David promised that if the Constitution was not in force at the time of the General Election, a Conservative Government would hold a referendum on it"
Trommel said:
odyssey2200 said:
Yes:"David promised that if the Constitution was not in force at the time of the General Election, a Conservative Government would hold a referendum on it"
He knows that the HUGE majority of the public want out!
odyssey2200 said:
He knows that the HUGE majority of the public want out!
The problem is though that the huge majority of the public are stupid and don't have a clue when it comes to stuff like this. They have no real idea whether it is a good thing or not, and are easily lead by the press who are following their own agendas.My own feeling on it is that a sudden and complete withdrawal from the EU would be massively damaging to the UK economy. I don't like the EU as an institution as it is corrupt and unaccountable. It is also, due to the current economic position, weak. That is something that we should be exploiting to the maximum extent to force reform and turn the EU back into an alliance of economies with proper transparency and accountability, and away from federalisation by stealth.
tank slapper said:
My own feeling on it is that a sudden and complete withdrawal from the EU would be massively damaging to the UK economy. I don't like the EU as an institution as it is corrupt and unaccountable. It is also, due to the current economic position, weak. That is something that we should be exploiting to the maximum extent to force reform and turn the EU back into an alliance of economies with proper transparency and accountability, and away from federalisation by stealth.
You will not change the EU. It is systmically socialist and 'run' (I use the term losely because teh debacle of teh PIIGS and the fact the EU accounts have never once been signed off indicate a total lack of leadership, control or responsibility) by politicians who are themselves wedded to the EUSSR ideal.odyssey2200 said:
It's not everyone though is it? Just PH.Try that poll on the Hackney & District Albanian single mothers group forum.
odyssey2200 said:
But in other news 70% are perfectly happy with the toriesEmail sent to media w
e / MP, point out that I expect her to follow the wishes of the people she works for and vote for a referendum . . . . .given the stty responses to the other correspondence I've sent her, I'm not holding out much hope.
It really is a bit confusing that I'm actually missing the correspondence and debate that Stephen Hesford, the former MP for Wirral south (labour bod, former barrister) put into replying to my enquiries.
e / MP, point out that I expect her to follow the wishes of the people she works for and vote for a referendum . . . . .given the stty responses to the other correspondence I've sent her, I'm not holding out much hope.It really is a bit confusing that I'm actually missing the correspondence and debate that Stephen Hesford, the former MP for Wirral south (labour bod, former barrister) put into replying to my enquiries.
odyssey2200 said:
Is this the same David Cameron that promised us all a refendum on the EU if he got to be PM?
shirley not?
He promised a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Brown ratified the treaty in a rush, despite Labour's 2005 manifesto having promised a referendum, so Cameron could not hodl the promised referendum.shirley not?
The Tory eurosceptic leaders are being silly. They are damaging the most eurosceptic Tory PM since Heath took us into the EEC. He has already said he wil use the coming negotiations on further integration of the Eurozone to renegotitate our terms of membership. The unspoken threat behind that renegotiation will be our withdrawal. If we have already voted to withdraw, we get no say and they make it as difficult as possible for us.
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