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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b016ltsh
After hearing a snippet on r4 this morning, its going to be magic.
After hearing a snippet on r4 this morning, its going to be magic.
The guy from the North East said something along the lines of, "Why would I want to work 40 hours a week on the minimum wage for £60 a month extra, when I can spend that time with my children?"
I'm not saying I agree with his point, but you can see why he would take that position; who wouldn't rather spend their day looking after their children?
Hopefully the programme will be spun along the lines of, 'benefits need to be cut', rather than, 'what a lazy b
d'.
Mind you, he did also say that minimum wage needed to rise as a solution, so he did deserve a good kicking.
I'm not saying I agree with his point, but you can see why he would take that position; who wouldn't rather spend their day looking after their children?
Hopefully the programme will be spun along the lines of, 'benefits need to be cut', rather than, 'what a lazy b
d'.Mind you, he did also say that minimum wage needed to rise as a solution, so he did deserve a good kicking.
paulrockliffe said:
I'm not saying I agree with his point, but you can see why he would take that position; who wouldn't rather spend their day looking after their children?
Go to any council estate & see how many "parents" spend time with their children. Most are on the fking streets all day every day. (& of what I have seen this is starting to happen where they stick "social" housing on new build estates).
This is why my OH reads the Daily Mail, so I dont have to 
With all due respect, that is absolute rubbish.
In my view the average PHer supports the valid and appropriate use of benefits.
In the case of Carers Allowance, not only were you caring for your mother at the most difficult of times, you were also saving the state money in having to pay someone else to do it.
In my view the average PHer supports the valid and appropriate use of benefits.
In the case of Carers Allowance, not only were you caring for your mother at the most difficult of times, you were also saving the state money in having to pay someone else to do it.
freecar said:
EDLT said:
As I mentioned in the thread that was in the TV forum, PH won't be happy unless his solution is "burn the poor".
This, it's the only place where I'd be ashamed to admit that I claimed carers allowance while I cared for my Mother with cancer.Sorry to hear about your mother's illness
must be horrible.R.
M@verick said:
Why on *earth* would you say that ?, I dont think any PH'ers have any problem at all with the proper use of benefits, I for one am glad to know that my taxes go towards helping out people like yourself in their time of need. What does make people on here irate is benefits as a permanent lifestyle choice in preference to getting a job
Sorry to hear about your mother's illness must be horrible.
R.
Nail & head. Benefits-safety net NOT lifestyle choice.Sorry to hear about your mother's illness
must be horrible.R.
paulrockliffe said:
The guy from the North East said something along the lines of, "Why would I want to work 40 hours a week on the minimum wage for £60 a month extra, when I can spend that time with my children?"
Which really does just illustrate the problem. Currently if this is the true state of things then the problem is that people in this guy's position have a choice and are actively choosing to not work. The solution is not to raise benefits so that the prospect of taking the job choice becomes that more appealing, since the only way that can happen is to squeeze the countries economy even more (which we cant handle) or to increase the burden on those that are working and currently paying tax (which has happened already, and the few supporting the many is not a solution with any longevity in it).
The solution is either to make the choice of benefits seem less appealing, or to remove that choice altogether.
i.e. - either a) target those that are physically able to work but choose benefits instead, and begin incrementally changing thinking by making something like community work, or unpaid volunteer work mandatory, in order to receive benefits whilst not working.
or b) remove the choice altogether, immediately - such that after an initial period on benefits, if you are able to work you cannot claim benefits. I guess the difficulty is in proving who can and cant work, but if these people are appearing on national television saying as much, there is a starting point.
R.
M@verick said:
freecar said:
EDLT said:
As I mentioned in the thread that was in the TV forum, PH won't be happy unless his solution is "burn the poor".
This, it's the only place where I'd be ashamed to admit that I claimed carers allowance while I cared for my Mother with cancer.Sorry to hear about your mother's illness
must be horrible.R.
ks.The assumption is that if somebody is claiming jobseekers, they are not trying to find work, that if somebody is receiving carers allowance, they are blagging and if somebody gets mobility allowance, they probably did it to get a free car at the taxpayers expense.
The vast majority of voices here are condemning of anybody in receipt of benefits. yes there are a few rational ones but they are drowned out by the majority of idiots who think that all benefits claimants are a pointless drain upon our resources and should be made to suffer to get them.
It's why I generally keep out of these threads, as I know my opinion isn't as valid as a tax paying individual.
Not to worry though, she's dead now and I'm unemployable as nobody wants to even read an application from somebody who can't even muster up a reference. Still it was worth getting less than jobseekers allowance to spend a vast amount of my time helping the woman who brought me into this world use a toilet.
freecar said:
I'm sorry but as somebody who has actually had this stigma that is bks.
The assumption is that if somebody is claiming jobseekers, they are not trying to find work, that if somebody is receiving carers allowance, they are blagging and if somebody gets mobility allowance, they probably did it to get a free car at the taxpayers expense.
The vast majority of voices here are condemning of anybody in receipt of benefits. yes there are a few rational ones but they are drowned out by the majority of idiots who think that all benefits claimants are a pointless drain upon our resources and should be made to suffer to get them.
It's why I generally keep out of these threads, as I know my opinion isn't as valid as a tax paying individual.
Not to worry though, she's dead now and I'm unemployable as nobody wants to even read an application from somebody who can't even muster up a reference. Still it was worth getting less than jobseekers allowance to spend a vast amount of my time helping the woman who brought me into this world use a toilet.
Ah yes, but don't forget it's clearly the unemployed/minimum wage worker's fault for not working hard enough. A bit of that and you'll be a powerfully built Director in no timeks.The assumption is that if somebody is claiming jobseekers, they are not trying to find work, that if somebody is receiving carers allowance, they are blagging and if somebody gets mobility allowance, they probably did it to get a free car at the taxpayers expense.
The vast majority of voices here are condemning of anybody in receipt of benefits. yes there are a few rational ones but they are drowned out by the majority of idiots who think that all benefits claimants are a pointless drain upon our resources and should be made to suffer to get them.
It's why I generally keep out of these threads, as I know my opinion isn't as valid as a tax paying individual.
Not to worry though, she's dead now and I'm unemployable as nobody wants to even read an application from somebody who can't even muster up a reference. Still it was worth getting less than jobseekers allowance to spend a vast amount of my time helping the woman who brought me into this world use a toilet.
freecar said:
I'm sorry but as somebody who has actually had this stigma that is bks.
Ok well you have obviously had a very sks.t time of it. I can then only genuinely speak for myself as I did, I think its very poor form if you have received negative comments from people regarding benefits who knew of your situation - thats awful. R.
M@verick said:
freecar said:
I'm sorry but as somebody who has actually had this stigma that is bks.
Ok well you have obviously had a very sks.t time of it. I can then only genuinely speak for myself as I did, I think its very poor form if you have received negative comments from people regarding benefits who knew of your situation - thats awful. R.
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