Discussion
A discussion that has popped up interspersed with another thread is one about White Poppies.
Personally I find them a cynical insult.
They're produce by the Peace Pledge fund who as far as I can tell from their year end report use the money to support themselves doing it again next year.
They're supposed to promote peace and remember conciencious objectors etc.
Well I'm sorry but just f
k off. If you want to do that then fine, don't do it with a poppy, released at the same time as the red poppies. None of the money goes to the British Legion.
I think using white poppies is just a cynical ploy to get people like my mother to buy one as she didn't realise the money went to a totally different place.
So if you wear one, justify why it needs to be a poppy, why it needs to be released at the same time and more to the point, why people who didn't go to war and didn't risk their lives need to specifically be remembered at all?
Personally I find them a cynical insult.
They're produce by the Peace Pledge fund who as far as I can tell from their year end report use the money to support themselves doing it again next year.
They're supposed to promote peace and remember conciencious objectors etc.
Well I'm sorry but just f
k off. If you want to do that then fine, don't do it with a poppy, released at the same time as the red poppies. None of the money goes to the British Legion.I think using white poppies is just a cynical ploy to get people like my mother to buy one as she didn't realise the money went to a totally different place.
So if you wear one, justify why it needs to be a poppy, why it needs to be released at the same time and more to the point, why people who didn't go to war and didn't risk their lives need to specifically be remembered at all?
cazzer said:
So if you wear one, justify why it needs to be a poppy, why it needs to be released at the same time and more to the point, why people who didn't go to war and didn't risk their lives need to specifically be remembered at all?
Broadly I agree with your stance, however didnt a fair few conci's serve in the medical corps? In which case they risked their lives quite alot.
scotal said:
Broadly I agree with your stance, however didnt a fair few conci's serve in the medical corps? In which case they risked their lives quite alot.
Then they served in uniform and will fall under the remit of the British Legion.Still don't see why they need a special poppy.
(It isn't even like the money raised goes to them anyway)
scotal said:
Broadly I agree with your stance, however didnt a fair few conci's serve in the medical corps? In which case they risked their lives quite alot.
My grandad was a C-Obj who drove ambulances in some rather dangerous areas.Still part of the war effort and still remembered with a red poppy.
White poppies/peace protests, fine, just pick another time of year, not early November.
Engineer1 said:
Isn't the point of the white poppy that you are a pacifist but you still want to remember the victims of the wars.
Why turn it into a political statement? Why not just wear a red poppy and remember the victims of the wars without also trying to make it about themselves too?Remembrance should be apolitical.
ewenm said:
Engineer1 said:
Isn't the point of the white poppy that you are a pacifist but you still want to remember the victims of the wars.
Why turn it into a political statement? Why not just wear a red poppy and remember the victims of the wars without also trying to make it about themselves too?Remembrance should be apolitical.
An awful lot of wreaths have them in as a sign to not only remember those who gave their lives in death.
A lot of non military will wear them at remembrance services.
But no, let's go all daily mail on their arse... How dare they remember people who gave their lives in life as well as death for this country and many others at the same time.
cazzer said:
Were not talking a white poppy in a wreath. Were talking about the white poppies sold by the peace fund that seems to do nothing but fund their own salaries.
said:
"Where does the money go?
Through the white poppy our aim is primarily to raise issues. We distribute the white poppies each year to challenge the view that war and preparations for war are necessary or inevitable. Any money raised over and above the cost of producing, publicising and distributing the white poppies goes to fund our education work, some of which can be seen on our main website. Such work regrettably does not attract much funding and so we rely heavily on the generosity of people like you. Donations can be made here or if you are a UK Taxpayer you can add value to your contributions to peace education work through our associated charity the Peace Research and Education Trust . We are sure they will welcome your support.
PS Every year there is always someone, often in the media, who implies that money raised is used for some suspect activity; others categorically insists that the white poppies are 'taking money from the valuable work the British Legion is doing' and we get a lot of intemperate emails.
If you happen to hold this view why not check with the British Legion whether this is true before complaining to us.
You may also like to know that the Peace Pledge Union's annual turnover is similar to the annual salary (£95,000+) of the British Legion's chief executive."
Taken from here. Through the white poppy our aim is primarily to raise issues. We distribute the white poppies each year to challenge the view that war and preparations for war are necessary or inevitable. Any money raised over and above the cost of producing, publicising and distributing the white poppies goes to fund our education work, some of which can be seen on our main website. Such work regrettably does not attract much funding and so we rely heavily on the generosity of people like you. Donations can be made here or if you are a UK Taxpayer you can add value to your contributions to peace education work through our associated charity the Peace Research and Education Trust . We are sure they will welcome your support.
PS Every year there is always someone, often in the media, who implies that money raised is used for some suspect activity; others categorically insists that the white poppies are 'taking money from the valuable work the British Legion is doing' and we get a lot of intemperate emails.
If you happen to hold this view why not check with the British Legion whether this is true before complaining to us.
You may also like to know that the Peace Pledge Union's annual turnover is similar to the annual salary (£95,000+) of the British Legion's chief executive."
http://www.ppu.org.uk/whitepoppy/white_faq.html
The snipy comment at the end is the telling bit. Genuinely I'd try not to get too bothered by them, it won't be their blood pressure you raise.
The wearing of a red poppy does necessarily signify that the person wearing it is pro-war. A red poppy covers the same point of a stty white one except the white one doesn't honour the men who got off their asses to fight.
Who the fk is really pro-war anyway? Who wakes up and thinks "Ooh, a lovely day, I might start a war today." I took up arms for this country yet don't consider myself pro-war although I do accept that sometimes there are things that have to be done and some men will have to stand up and be counted.
So... the red poppy is not different in ideology to the white one, it's the white one that is not inclusive and as such, they can shove it up their arses, it dishonours good friends of mine who are in the ground.
tty white one except the white one doesn't honour the men who got off their asses to fight. Who the f
k is really pro-war anyway? Who wakes up and thinks "Ooh, a lovely day, I might start a war today." I took up arms for this country yet don't consider myself pro-war although I do accept that sometimes there are things that have to be done and some men will have to stand up and be counted. So... the red poppy is not different in ideology to the white one, it's the white one that is not inclusive and as such, they can shove it up their arses, it dishonours good friends of mine who are in the ground.
scotal said:
cazzer said:
Were not talking a white poppy in a wreath. Were talking about the white poppies sold by the peace fund that seems to do nothing but fund their own salaries.
said:
"Where does the money go?
Through the white poppy our aim is primarily to raise issues. We distribute the white poppies each year to challenge the view that war and preparations for war are necessary or inevitable. Any money raised over and above the cost of producing, publicising and distributing the white poppies goes to fund our education work, some of which can be seen on our main website. Such work regrettably does not attract much funding and so we rely heavily on the generosity of people like you. Donations can be made here or if you are a UK Taxpayer you can add value to your contributions to peace education work through our associated charity the Peace Research and Education Trust . We are sure they will welcome your support.
PS Every year there is always someone, often in the media, who implies that money raised is used for some suspect activity; others categorically insists that the white poppies are 'taking money from the valuable work the British Legion is doing' and we get a lot of intemperate emails.
If you happen to hold this view why not check with the British Legion whether this is true before complaining to us.
You may also like to know that the Peace Pledge Union's annual turnover is similar to the annual salary (£95,000+) of the British Legion's chief executive."
Taken from here. Through the white poppy our aim is primarily to raise issues. We distribute the white poppies each year to challenge the view that war and preparations for war are necessary or inevitable. Any money raised over and above the cost of producing, publicising and distributing the white poppies goes to fund our education work, some of which can be seen on our main website. Such work regrettably does not attract much funding and so we rely heavily on the generosity of people like you. Donations can be made here or if you are a UK Taxpayer you can add value to your contributions to peace education work through our associated charity the Peace Research and Education Trust . We are sure they will welcome your support.
PS Every year there is always someone, often in the media, who implies that money raised is used for some suspect activity; others categorically insists that the white poppies are 'taking money from the valuable work the British Legion is doing' and we get a lot of intemperate emails.
If you happen to hold this view why not check with the British Legion whether this is true before complaining to us.
You may also like to know that the Peace Pledge Union's annual turnover is similar to the annual salary (£95,000+) of the British Legion's chief executive."
http://www.ppu.org.uk/whitepoppy/white_faq.html
Roger Dodger said:
scotal said:
cazzer said:
Were not talking a white poppy in a wreath. Were talking about the white poppies sold by the peace fund that seems to do nothing but fund their own salaries.
said:
"Where does the money go?
Through the white poppy our aim is primarily to raise issues. We distribute the white poppies each year to challenge the view that war and preparations for war are necessary or inevitable. Any money raised over and above the cost of producing, publicising and distributing the white poppies goes to fund our education work, some of which can be seen on our main website. Such work regrettably does not attract much funding and so we rely heavily on the generosity of people like you. Donations can be made here or if you are a UK Taxpayer you can add value to your contributions to peace education work through our associated charity the Peace Research and Education Trust . We are sure they will welcome your support.
PS Every year there is always someone, often in the media, who implies that money raised is used for some suspect activity; others categorically insists that the white poppies are 'taking money from the valuable work the British Legion is doing' and we get a lot of intemperate emails.
If you happen to hold this view why not check with the British Legion whether this is true before complaining to us.
You may also like to know that the Peace Pledge Union's annual turnover is similar to the annual salary (£95,000+) of the British Legion's chief executive."
Taken from here. Through the white poppy our aim is primarily to raise issues. We distribute the white poppies each year to challenge the view that war and preparations for war are necessary or inevitable. Any money raised over and above the cost of producing, publicising and distributing the white poppies goes to fund our education work, some of which can be seen on our main website. Such work regrettably does not attract much funding and so we rely heavily on the generosity of people like you. Donations can be made here or if you are a UK Taxpayer you can add value to your contributions to peace education work through our associated charity the Peace Research and Education Trust . We are sure they will welcome your support.
PS Every year there is always someone, often in the media, who implies that money raised is used for some suspect activity; others categorically insists that the white poppies are 'taking money from the valuable work the British Legion is doing' and we get a lot of intemperate emails.
If you happen to hold this view why not check with the British Legion whether this is true before complaining to us.
You may also like to know that the Peace Pledge Union's annual turnover is similar to the annual salary (£95,000+) of the British Legion's chief executive."
http://www.ppu.org.uk/whitepoppy/white_faq.html
I don't know anything about this other organisation, however the meaning is proper and is seen as an appropriate part of remembrance services.
Reading their site they have a legitimate reason and reasonable response, they are commemorating the losses (the soldiers etc.) but not supporting the war they are fighting. Or would you prefer a US Vietnam war era protest where the soldiers of an unpopular war are seen as a target as well.
elster said:
Symbolising those who are casualties of war and not just the dead is not a bad point. Which is why you find a white poppy in many wreaths.
I don't know anything about this other organisation, however the meaning is proper and is seen as an appropriate part of remembrance services.
The RBL Poppy Appeal has never been about remembering the dead alone. It has always had a remit to help those who carry the physical and mental scars of war, families who are left behind and those who survive.I don't know anything about this other organisation, however the meaning is proper and is seen as an appropriate part of remembrance services.
I have never seen a RBL wreath with a PPU white poppy, especially not when it has been placed by the RBL. Are you sure you're not thinking of the RBL roundel wreaths, which have blue, white and red poppies?
Engineer1 said:
Reading their site they have a legitimate reason and reasonable response, they are commemorating the losses (the soldiers etc.) but not supporting the war they are fighting. Or would you prefer a US Vietnam war era protest where the soldiers of an unpopular war are seen as a target as well.
Do you think the RBL supports war? Remember Poppy Appeal is about more than just commemoration.While anyone is and should be free to wear whatever they like, I do believe that the PPU prey upon ignorance to fund it's non-charitable aims.
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