Riots in the US, Italy and Greece
Riots in the US, Italy and Greece
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HoHoHo

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15,401 posts

281 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Is this the thin end of the wedge and are we about to see the st hit the fan across Europe and possibly a few other countries as those who are pissed off with their leaders and the financial situation join in with those intent on simply having a brawl?

Sky News

bob1179

14,140 posts

240 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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We seem to be teetering on the edge of a Socialist abyss. The West is going mad, what are we to do?

The cheap credit of the last decade, people spending more than they earn, governments doing the same thing, people believing the are 'owed' something, the pensions crisis, the Euro crisis. Who knows where this will end? I expect whatever happens, we will all be a lot worse off in the long run.




scenario8

8,003 posts

210 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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No, just a lot of hacked off people displaying hackedoffedness. The majority of Americans just want to get on with their lives. Same for most Europeans. And we don't do revolutions in this country.

Well, we did once, but you know what I mean. Sheep will remain unburnt in the UK

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

262 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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The video states that "fury at sinking economies" are causing this. I can't speak for elsewhere, but here in the U.S. these "occupiers" know nothing about economy, bad or otherwise. As usual, the media are picking up on a relatively small movement with people who either never had or rarely held a job and are giving them far more credit than they deserve.

anonymous-user

85 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Wasn't it Gil Scott-Heron who sang about the U.S. increasing consumption while producing less in the song 'B-movie'. That's what's happened in the U.S and Europe, buying too much from China etc, for example, and forgetting we have to produce to be able to continue consuming. We've reached realisation point and there's rebalancing- to do, doesn't mean a one way path to oblivion.

davepoth

29,395 posts

230 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Jimbeaux said:
The video states that "fury at sinking economies" are causing this. I can't speak for elsewhere, but here in the U.S. these "occupiers" know nothing about economy, bad or otherwise. As usual, the media are picking up on a relatively small movement with people who either never had or rarely held a job and are giving them far more credit than they deserve.
It doesn't really need a lot of people to cause a coup. Generally it's only a few dozen people. But it does need a lot of people to be not angry with the protestors.

http://www.ustream.tv/theother99

Live stream from NYC. The weather's turned nasty so it will be interesting to see what happens now - they're planning to shut down the bridges at rush hour...

Jasandjules

72,674 posts

260 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Well, I for one hope that there are riots here and MPs, Judges and some celebrities are taken to see the Guillotine....... biggrin

We put up with all too much and say little in the UK. It's about time something was done about it.

elster

17,517 posts

241 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Jasandjules said:
Well, I for one hope that there are riots here and MPs, Judges and some celebrities are taken to see the Guillotine....... biggrin

We put up with all too much and say little in the UK. It's about time something was done about it.
I don't. I have had enough of Billy Bragg touring the country.

Engineer1

10,486 posts

240 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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The way things are going I can see parallels with the 20's and 30's Italy with a none elected government, economic problems a German with all the answers etc. People upset with the current system and looking for a radically different system.

Cheib

25,456 posts

206 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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HoHoHo said:
Is this the thin end of the wedge and are we about to see the st hit the fan across Europe and possibly a few other countries as those who are pissed off with their leaders and the financial situation join in with those intent on simply having a brawl?

Sky News
Thin end of the wedge.

Wait til the next budget in Ireland...it'll be very hard to sell more austerity when they'll have seen the Greeks writing off 50% of their debt and still not paying their taxes.

It's going to be a long hard haul everywhere...anyone who thinks otherwise is dillusional IMHO.

Derek Smith

49,986 posts

279 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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We do do riots in this country. It was WWI that was a watershed. Since then the general public has been very placid. Even then there was a lot of disgruntled people.

The general public in this country has been, at least for the last couple of centuries or so, very sophisticated. There were demonstrations with regards voting reform (Peterloo massacre), House of Lords interference in enlargement of the franchise and other such genuine concerns. It would seem that people in this country looked at the French revolution and what happened in the mid 17th c and decided that it was not worth the cost.

Most public disturbances in this country which have a political motive have been the result of inept government. Otherwise the populace is very laid back.

Fittster

20,120 posts

244 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Derek Smith said:
We do do riots in this country. It was WWI that was a watershed. Since then the general public has been very placid. Even then there was a lot of disgruntled people.
We don't rise up/riot because we are old. You need lots of pissed off young men in the population for serious social trouble. In the Arab world you have a large youth bulge in the population and high unemployment, which may well have lead to the Arab spring.

"Gunnar Heinsohn (2003) argues that an excess in especially young adult male population predictably leads to social unrest, war and terrorism, as the "third and fourth sons" that find no prestigious positions in their existing societies rationalize their impetus to compete by religion or political ideology.

Nearly half of Libya's 2011 population consists of youths under age 20."

In the West our social problems are more likely to be because of an ageing population (bit of Logan's Run required0.

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

262 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Fittster said:
Derek Smith said:
We do do riots in this country. It was WWI that was a watershed. Since then the general public has been very placid. Even then there was a lot of disgruntled people.
We don't rise up/riot because we are old. You need lots of pissed off young men in the population for serious social trouble. In the Arab world you have a large youth bulge in the population and high unemployment, which may well have lead to the Arab spring.

"Gunnar Heinsohn (2003) argues that an excess in especially young adult male population predictably leads to social unrest, war and terrorism, as the "third and fourth sons" that find no prestigious positions in their existing societies rationalize their impetus to compete by religion or political ideology.

Nearly half of Libya's 2011 population consists of youths under age 20."

In the West our social problems are more likely to be because of an ageing population (bit of Logan's Run required0.
Perhaps the problem is that those "youngsters" are bhing about things that are less of a problem than they think but their youth and inexperience prohibits them from realizing so. We are becoming dangerously "anti-old" in the West as far as attitudes go. Most youths confidence and ego outweigh their true knowledge and experience. Be careful, wisdom cooks slowly, not in a microwave oven.

TheD

3,144 posts

230 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Jimbeaux said:
Most youths confidence and ego outweigh their true knowledge and experience. Be careful, wisdom cooks slowly, not in a microwave oven.
Can I use that.......I really like it

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

262 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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TheD said:
Jimbeaux said:
Most youths confidence and ego outweigh their true knowledge and experience. Be careful, wisdom cooks slowly, not in a microwave oven.
Can I use that.......I really like it
If you are serious, by all means. If you are bullstting me, by all means. smile

Globs

13,847 posts

262 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Jimbeaux said:
here in the U.S. these "occupiers" know nothing about economy, bad or otherwise.
So they know about as much as their president then!

ArmaghMan

2,804 posts

211 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Globs said:
Jimbeaux said:
here in the U.S. these "occupiers" know nothing about economy, bad or otherwise.
So they know about as much as their president then!
And all the high price bankers/fund managers/ accountants/auditors.
They know so much that Joe public had to step in and bail the greedy self centered bds out.Should have let them go to the wall. every last one of them

davepoth

29,395 posts

230 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Jimbeaux said:
Perhaps the problem is that those "youngsters" are bhing about things that are less of a problem than they think but their youth and inexperience prohibits them from realizing so. We are becoming dangerously "anti-old" in the West as far as attitudes go. Most youths confidence and ego outweigh their true knowledge and experience. Be careful, wisdom cooks slowly, not in a microwave oven.
When was the last time a revolution was fought by the old though?

While few are in a position to be on the streets, near enough everyone I know thinks something is "not right" about the way the world's economy is tanking, and yet the bankers that in previous crashes were jumping from skyscraper windows are still better off than everyone else.

AJS-

15,366 posts

267 months

Friday 18th November 2011
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I would have thought some sort of an idea for an alternative would be a pre-requisite for a successful revolution. It seems this lot is just the normal "It's not fair" brigade.

Reading some of the comments on the We are the 99% website the other day, one really stood out, I can't find it now but it was along the lines of "By the time my husband and I have paid the mortgage we can barely afford to put gas in our cars."

You have two cars and you're buying your house. It's a struggle for people world over, but you can hardly claim grinding poverty can you?

Anyway, you could probably end this revolution with a few kilos of cannabis and a Cheech & Chong movie. Then when they're all lolling around Central Park in a happy daze we walk in with some bats and stove their stupid empty heads in.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

235 months

Friday 18th November 2011
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Jasandjules said:
Well, I for one hope that there are riots here and MPs, Judges and some celebrities are taken to see the Guillotine....... biggrin

We put up with all too much and say little in the UK. It's about time something was done about it.
If we still had winky incharge we would probably be sat outside Westminster just now.

Pity labour lost