"many sellers had been deluding themselves"
"many sellers had been deluding themselves"
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Corsair7

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20,911 posts

278 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15790738

Looks bleak for house prices. Many people are going to realise that they dont have enough of a deposit for moving up the ladder, and are effectivly in negative equity already, even if their house is currently 'worth' more than their mortgage debt.

Eric Mc

125,855 posts

296 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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Is it time to ditch the concept of a "property ladder"?

Corsair7

Original Poster:

20,911 posts

278 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Is it time to ditch the concept of a "property ladder"?
Agreed. I dont need a three bedroom house, I need a 4 bedroom house. I should be simply able to swap with someone whoose kids have moved out already.

Digga

48,521 posts

314 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Is it time to ditch the concept of a "property ladder"?
I agree. Property vortex sounds much more dynamic, exciting and apt.

Eric Mc

125,855 posts

296 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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I like the idea of a "Property Vortex" or "Property Maelstrom".

I hope that for the forseeable future, people will regard the purchasing of houses as something they are doing because they need somewhere to live and not -

a) as a step in an expected inexorable upward progression of acquiring bigger and bigger and more and more properties

b) "their pension"

Hugo a Gogo

23,438 posts

264 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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Eric Mc said:
I like the idea of a "Property Vortex" or "Property Maelstrom".

I hope that for the forseeable future, people will regard the purchasing of houses as something they are doing because they need somewhere to live and not -

a) as a step in an expected inexorable upward progression of acquiring bigger and bigger and more and more properties

b) "their pension"
well said

the tiny percentage of buyers who need more space for the extra kids they've had is far outweighed by those buying for the reasons above

anonymous-user

85 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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I mentioned before on here that one of my neighbours has just put their house on the market, it's identical to ours but they have it on the market for £60,000 more than we bought our house for 18 months ago. Our location is nice, but not exceptional and there are loads of similar houses in the area. They must be on another planet, or have an agent that is feeding them a load of rubbish about its value.

Digga

48,521 posts

314 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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People need to realise that many contemporary builds are actually depreciating assets. The only part of the value which might, depending very much upon location, defy this is the land, but the fabric of the buildings are not made to a similar standard of permanance of older houses in many cases.

vonuber

17,868 posts

196 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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Estate Agents should not get commision, but be on a flat wage. Sorted.

sinizter

3,348 posts

217 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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What's all this BS about people buying bigger than they need ?

If they can afford it, they can buy what they want. After the kids, are gone, or even if they don't have kids, they can bloody well live there if they want.

I like having space - as much as I can get, and my the recently built '4-bed' home has much inside space a decent 2.5-3 bed should. I've seen closets that are larger than the so-called 4th bedroom.

Edited by sinizter on Monday 21st November 11:11

anonymous-user

85 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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mikele pirelli said:
Eric Mc said:
Is it time to ditch the concept of a "property ladder"?
Property snake possibly ?
Property snakes and ladders?

Eric Mc

125,855 posts

296 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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sinizter said:
What's all this BS about people buying bigger than they need ?

If they can afford it, they can buy what they want. After the kids, are gone, or even if they don't have kids, they can bloody well live there if they want.

I like having space - as much as I can get, and my the recently built '4-bed' home has much inside space a decent 2.5-3 bed has. I've seen closets that are larger than the so-called 4th bedroom.

Given situations like that, when I have the money I will buy a bigger house. Whether someone else 'needs' this house but can't afford it or not, it not my problem. My only problem at that point, will be whether I can afford to put down a deposit sufficient to be underwritten to buy that house, and whether I can continue to make sufficient payments, and finish my mortgage off in a timely manner.

My house may have lost a chunk off the price we paid for it, but I am not overly concerned because I am not in negative equity even with a much lower estimated sale price, and anywhere I move to would have lost even more.
Calm down - it's only a debate smile

People should be free to buy whatever type of property they like and as many properties as they like. I'm certainly not advocating any legislative restrictions on these freedoms.

What I would like to see is a change of atitude - which is a cultrural and social matter rather than a legal one. People need to change their life priorities a bit and stop mimicing and aping those they see on those excrutiating property TV programmes that encourage nonsensical aspirations.

crankedup

25,764 posts

274 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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Eric Mc said:
I like the idea of a "Property Vortex" or "Property Maelstrom".

I hope that for the forseeable future, people will regard the purchasing of houses as something they are doing because they need somewhere to live and not -

a) as a step in an expected inexorable upward progression of acquiring bigger and bigger and more and more properties

b) "their pension"
So the bedrock of 'junior Capitalism' is a dead duck. Well it might be for those unfortunate first time buyers who are currently unable to aspire to ownership as perhaps their parents have. So when Mum and Pop pass on their lovely big house in grounds of pocket handkerchief - rolling acres those lucky people will suddenly find they are relatively wealthy by not having to lash out cash on rent. So the value of property may drop but its all relative and economics play in with rents forever heading upward.
I do agree that in the medium term property is not the best investment for returns just yet, at least in U.K. Europe.

Corsair7

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278 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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anonymous said:
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Your such a fool. No mention AT all of a Range Rover Sport with 22 inch alloys.

Oakey

27,984 posts

247 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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crankedup said:
So the bedrock of 'junior Capitalism' is a dead duck. Well it might be for those unfortunate first time buyers who are currently unable to aspire to ownership as perhaps their parents have. So when Mum and Pop pass on their lovely big house in grounds of pocket handkerchief - rolling acres those lucky people will suddenly find they are relatively wealthy by not having to lash out cash on rent. So the value of property may drop but its all relative and economics play in with rents forever heading upward.
I do agree that in the medium term property is not the best investment for returns just yet, at least in U.K. Europe.
They may suddenly find they have a large inheritance tax bill to pay more like.

TTwiggy

11,884 posts

235 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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vonuber said:
Estate Agents should not get commision, but be on a flat wage. Sorted.
And, presumably, you feel that bankers should not receive a bonus?

sinizter

3,348 posts

217 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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mikele pirelli said:
So I am living where I want ? And a young family is now living
in my old house. I don't see anything wrong in that ?
That is exactly what should be done. Live where you want and where it suits.

I was just making a point that I have no moral or any other obligations to live in a smaller house because of the number of people who might live in my home or not. Or to downsize in the future after kids have left home, or whatever else.

crankedup

25,764 posts

274 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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Oakey said:
They may suddenly find they have a large inheritance tax bill to pay more like.
True enough, but only those that have not taken the correct and legal measures to reduce that burden to a manageable level.

crankedup

25,764 posts

274 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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TTwiggy said:
And, presumably, you feel that bankers should not receive a bonus?
We know its getting serious when the top two most despised organisations in the U.K. are mentioned within two breaths. But which is the most despised : Banker or Estate agent?

johnfm

13,751 posts

281 months

Monday 21st November 2011
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I think socialists and noons and tube drivers all trump bankers and estate agents...