The Badger is back
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BBC Radio two this morning offering her take on the situation faced by the 18-24 age group regarding unemployment in the U.K.
She reminds us all of how she started work at the bottom of the heap, attended job training and climbed very successfully the greasy pole of promotions and now runs her own successful company. She suggests that the youth today should 'do anything' to obtain work experience, even work free of charge for Companies. Attend all the job training that is available and suitable to them.
For me I admire her work ethic and the way she has succeeded in her working life. My only issue with her comments today was the little matter of her opportunities that she took full advantage of were back in 1993/4. That period was an entirely different world than the world youth face today, I would suggest that her input would be better placed within the context of our 'new world of work'.
Do I have the answers to the youth unemployment situation, nope, but I do agree with the Governments belated action plans in an attempt to at least stabilise the serious situation growing ever more serious.
Time for your say:
She reminds us all of how she started work at the bottom of the heap, attended job training and climbed very successfully the greasy pole of promotions and now runs her own successful company. She suggests that the youth today should 'do anything' to obtain work experience, even work free of charge for Companies. Attend all the job training that is available and suitable to them.
For me I admire her work ethic and the way she has succeeded in her working life. My only issue with her comments today was the little matter of her opportunities that she took full advantage of were back in 1993/4. That period was an entirely different world than the world youth face today, I would suggest that her input would be better placed within the context of our 'new world of work'.
Do I have the answers to the youth unemployment situation, nope, but I do agree with the Governments belated action plans in an attempt to at least stabilise the serious situation growing ever more serious.
Time for your say:
She made career choices that worked for her. Nothing more, nothing less. There's no reason to believe that the same choices would work out for anyone else. She does not have the answer to anything.
For every successful entrepreneur, there has to be a number of people who tried, and through no fault of their own, failed.
For every successful entrepreneur, there has to be a number of people who tried, and through no fault of their own, failed.
She's a little out of touch imo. I was looking for a job for almost a year, and I had qualifications and experience already. I've ended up taking a part time job that anyone could do tbh, so long as they have a car and a driving license - something many 18 year olds can't afford because they don't have a job.
EDLT said:
She's a little out of touch imo. I was looking for a job for almost a year, and I had qualifications and experience already. I've ended up taking a part time job that anyone could do tbh, so long as they have a car and a driving license - something many 18 year olds can't afford because they don't have a job.
Cool story bro etc etc, but I'm missing the point you are trying to make.TTwiggy said:
She made career choices that worked for her. Nothing more, nothing less. There's no reason to believe that the same choices would work out for anyone else. She does not have the answer to anything.
For every successful entrepreneur, there has to be a number of people who tried, and through no fault of their own, failed.
But at least if you try and fail, you have tried.For every successful entrepreneur, there has to be a number of people who tried, and through no fault of their own, failed.
I totally agree with her sentiment.
If you are out of work, why not get on the dole or whatever you can, then go get some work experience doing what interests you.
There is no doubt that if you do a good job somewhere and are valuable and add value, you are doing good things for your employability prospects!
I was doing the s
ttest agency work for a time, Argos at Christmas, petrol station work. I expected better for myself, and eventually got it, but at the time I just needed money and an income...!Even right now I wish I had double the hours in a day to fit possible work/income streams into my life. Tons of work out there, you just need to go get it, or learn how to go get it!
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
But at least if you try and fail, you have tried.
I totally agree with her sentiment.
+1I totally agree with her sentiment.
More importantly, she shows that you can work up, if you can work hard, from a low level, rather than follow the pattern of successful people in the media that tends to go:
1/ did ok at school
2/ expensive university
3/ start up company that struggles
4/ (SNIP)
5/ Success
(The SNIP usually involves a huge loan/gift/inheritance from family or inheritance)
Mr Whippy said:
TTwiggy said:
She made career choices that worked for her. Nothing more, nothing less. There's no reason to believe that the same choices would work out for anyone else. She does not have the answer to anything.
For every successful entrepreneur, there has to be a number of people who tried, and through no fault of their own, failed.
But at least if you try and fail, you have tried.For every successful entrepreneur, there has to be a number of people who tried, and through no fault of their own, failed.
I totally agree with her sentiment.
If you are out of work, why not get on the dole or whatever you can, then go get some work experience doing what interests you.
There is no doubt that if you do a good job somewhere and are valuable and add value, you are doing good things for your employability prospects!
I was doing the s
ttest agency work for a time, Argos at Christmas, petrol station work. I expected better for myself, and eventually got it, but at the time I just needed money and an income...!Even right now I wish I had double the hours in a day to fit possible work/income streams into my life. Tons of work out there, you just need to go get it, or learn how to go get it!
Dave
I'm not decrying having a work ethic, but there is a huge difference between 'low paid' and 'working for free'. Many people, with an adjustment to lifestyle, could cope with the former, very few, unless they had external support, could cope with the latter.
TTwiggy said:
My only point was that there are thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, of people working very hard in low-level jobs, and very few of them will be recognised for their hard work and propelled up the corporate ladder - the world doesn't work that way. And just because it did for her, it doesn't follow that it will for anyone else.
It's not that hard work = success, Its hard work + ability + attitude +willingness to take risks = opportunity for success.
TTwiggy said:
I'm not decrying having a work ethic, but there is a huge difference between 'low paid' and 'working for free'. Many people, with an adjustment to lifestyle, could cope with the former, very few, unless they had external support, could cope with the latter.
So, you can sit at home on benefits and watch day time TV, or you can work for free and claim the same benefits. One option is going to impress employers, the other isn't.Liokault said:
TTwiggy said:
My only point was that there are thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, of people working very hard in low-level jobs, and very few of them will be recognised for their hard work and propelled up the corporate ladder - the world doesn't work that way. And just because it did for her, it doesn't follow that it will for anyone else.
It's not that hard work = success, Its hard work + ability + attitude +willingness to take risks = opportunity for success.
3. Opportunity for success + LUCK = success (or, Opportunity for success - LUCK = failure)
I know I bang on about it but IMO it's very important that people don't underestimate its impact.
carmonk said:
Liokault said:
TTwiggy said:
My only point was that there are thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, of people working very hard in low-level jobs, and very few of them will be recognised for their hard work and propelled up the corporate ladder - the world doesn't work that way. And just because it did for her, it doesn't follow that it will for anyone else.
It's not that hard work = success, Its hard work + ability + attitude +willingness to take risks = opportunity for success.
3. Opportunity for success + LUCK = success (or, Opportunity for success - LUCK = failure)
I know I bang on about it but IMO it's very important that people don't underestimate its impact.
Liokault said:
TTwiggy said:
I'm not decrying having a work ethic, but there is a huge difference between 'low paid' and 'working for free'. Many people, with an adjustment to lifestyle, could cope with the former, very few, unless they had external support, could cope with the latter.
So, you can sit at home on benefits and watch day time TV, or you can work for free and claim the same benefits. One option is going to impress employers, the other isn't.TTwiggy said:
Liokault said:
TTwiggy said:
I'm not decrying having a work ethic, but there is a huge difference between 'low paid' and 'working for free'. Many people, with an adjustment to lifestyle, could cope with the former, very few, unless they had external support, could cope with the latter.
So, you can sit at home on benefits and watch day time TV, or you can work for free and claim the same benefits. One option is going to impress employers, the other isn't.So don't get into a situation where you are not available for work. I'm guessing that if you’re working for free you are not going to be contractually tied to any position.
Sounds to me like you're looking for reasons not to try.
Liokault said:
TTwiggy said:
Liokault said:
TTwiggy said:
I'm not decrying having a work ethic, but there is a huge difference between 'low paid' and 'working for free'. Many people, with an adjustment to lifestyle, could cope with the former, very few, unless they had external support, could cope with the latter.
So, you can sit at home on benefits and watch day time TV, or you can work for free and claim the same benefits. One option is going to impress employers, the other isn't.So don't get into a situation where you are not available for work. I'm guessing that if you’re working for free you are not going to be contractually tied to any position.
Sounds to me like you're looking for reasons not to try.
Personally, I'm gainfully employed - but thanks for the little dig anyway.
However, I have witnessed the current UK job market through the experiences of my girlfriend's lodger.
This girl speaks five languages fluently - three to the level of being able to hold 'corporate' converdations. She is diligent to the point of borderline Aspergers (if she sets he mind to a task, she will not stop until it's completed) and goes about job hunting with a level of dedication that would exceed what many people would consider a 'constructive days' work'. When unemployed, she is always up hours before my fully-employed girlfriend, looking for work.
She has struggled, however, to find anything, and currently feels 'lucky' to have a temporary role as a receptionist for £14k per annum (she is 29 years old).
She has done lots of voluntary work - both vocational and 'community' (like working in charity shops), but each time she has done so, the job centre has docked her money BECAUSE SHE WAS NOT AVAILABLE FOR WORK.
TTwiggy said:
Liokault said:
TTwiggy said:
Liokault said:
TTwiggy said:
I'm not decrying having a work ethic, but there is a huge difference between 'low paid' and 'working for free'. Many people, with an adjustment to lifestyle, could cope with the former, very few, unless they had external support, could cope with the latter.
So, you can sit at home on benefits and watch day time TV, or you can work for free and claim the same benefits. One option is going to impress employers, the other isn't.So don't get into a situation where you are not available for work. I'm guessing that if you’re working for free you are not going to be contractually tied to any position.
Sounds to me like you're looking for reasons not to try.
Personally, I'm gainfully employed - but thanks for the little dig anyway.
However, I have witnessed the current UK job market through the experiences of my girlfriend's lodger.
This girl speaks five languages fluently - three to the level of being able to hold 'corporate' converdations. She is diligent to the point of borderline Aspergers (if she sets he mind to a task, she will not stop until it's completed) and goes about job hunting with a level of dedication that would exceed what many people would consider a 'constructive days' work'. When unemployed, she is always up hours before my fully-employed girlfriend, looking for work.
She has struggled, however, to find anything, and currently feels 'lucky' to have a temporary role as a receptionist for £14k per annum (she is 29 years old).
She has done lots of voluntary work - both vocational and 'community' (like working in charity shops), but each time she has done so, the job centre has docked her money BECAUSE SHE WAS NOT AVAILABLE FOR WORK.
1/ My Girlfriend until recently signed people’s job seekers forms, people in her office would accept that you were looking for work if you had at some point in the last week walked past a shop window which may or may not have had an advert for help wanted in it. It can't be that hard to be constructive and still claim my tax.
2/ My boss has just hired a girl straight out of college, after months of not being able to fill roles. The person she gave the job to is a Spanish girl who has moved to Germany off her own back to look for work, despite the fact that she can’t speak German. The job is hardly specialist but pays (I think) 50k Euro. So there are opportunities out there if you are prepared to look.
Liokault said:
Dude!
1/ My Girlfriend until recently signed people’s job seekers forms, people in her office would accept that you were looking for work if you had at some point in the last week walked past a shop window which may or may not have had an advert for help wanted in it. It can't be that hard to be constructive and still claim my tax.
2/ My boss has just hired a girl straight out of college, after months of not being able to fill roles. The person she gave the job to is a Spanish girl who has moved to Germany off her own back to look for work, despite the fact that she can’t speak German. The job is hardly specialist but pays (I think) 50k Euro. So there are opportunities out there if you are prepared to look.
1/ you haven't addressed the point I made about being available for work. You are not available if you are working somewhere else.1/ My Girlfriend until recently signed people’s job seekers forms, people in her office would accept that you were looking for work if you had at some point in the last week walked past a shop window which may or may not have had an advert for help wanted in it. It can't be that hard to be constructive and still claim my tax.
2/ My boss has just hired a girl straight out of college, after months of not being able to fill roles. The person she gave the job to is a Spanish girl who has moved to Germany off her own back to look for work, despite the fact that she can’t speak German. The job is hardly specialist but pays (I think) 50k Euro. So there are opportunities out there if you are prepared to look.
2/ good for her - but what does one person getting a job mean in the grand scheme of things? The girl I mentioned came to London from Cumbria looking for work, so it's not as if she expects it to come to her
3/ please, never call me 'dude' again
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