'Corrupt' coppers walk free on disclosure technicality
'Corrupt' coppers walk free on disclosure technicality
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johnfm

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281 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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3 people were framed for a murder.

A few years later the real murderer was caught using DNA evidence.

8 dodgy coppers have been on trial for the fit -up.

They look like ducks. They quack like ducks. They st like ducks.

However, it seems that some COPIES of documents that did not actually need to be disclosed were destroyed. The destruction of the copies wasn't recorded.

The defence argued that if they had destroyed copies without record, how could they rely on the documents that were disclosed being reliable.

These were copies of documents that did not need to be disclosed!

THAT SMELLS VERY VERY FISHY

Dark day for justice.

tenuous disclosure technicality said:
Simon Clements, the service’s reviewing lawyer, said problems were unearthed when a review of the prosecution material discovered that copies of files that had not been disclosed to the defence had been destroyed without explanation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wale...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...



Jasandjules

72,676 posts

260 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Dark day for justice indeed. Let's hope Karma completes it's mission on this one.

poo at Paul's

14,620 posts

206 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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Awaits PH Bib to come along and say "we should not speculate until we've seen the evidence.." Oh, hang on..

johnfm

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13,751 posts

281 months

Friday 2nd December 2011
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I suppose we will never know if these policemen were guilty


but I think the 3 non-police witnesses who gave evidence against the original 'killers' have already been convicted.


Just seems like these 8 are beyond the reach of the law.

poo at Paul's

14,620 posts

206 months

Saturday 3rd December 2011
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My feiend is a senior policeman. he has always said that there is a very very very fine line between the very "best" CID guys and the crims they chase. To be able to catch them, to a degree you need similar traits, mindset and abilities. he's uniform now as a chief inspector, but was plane clothes for years.

eldar

25,332 posts

227 months

Saturday 3rd December 2011
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poo at Paul's said:
My feiend is a senior policeman. he has always said that there is a very very very fine line between the very "best" CID guys and the crims they chase. To be able to catch them, to a degree you need similar traits, mindset and abilities. he's uniform now as a chief inspector, but was plane clothes for years.
A high flyer, then.

Shuvi Tupya

24,460 posts

278 months

Saturday 3rd December 2011
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poo at Paul's said:
he's uniform now as a chief inspector, but was plane clothes for years.
It's a good look.




ETA: Damn it.


poo at Paul's

14,620 posts

206 months

Saturday 3rd December 2011
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Weirdly enough ref my typo, his nickname is "Goose!"

Mr_B

10,480 posts

274 months

Saturday 3rd December 2011
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What evidence got the original 3 in jail ?

Shuvi Tupya

24,460 posts

278 months

Saturday 3rd December 2011
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Mr_B said:
What evidence got the original 3 in jail ?
Interesting question!

johnfm

Original Poster:

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281 months

Wednesday 7th December 2011
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Shuvi Tupya said:
Mr_B said:
What evidence got the original 3 in jail ?
Interesting question!
More interesting is that I cannot now find reference in the linked articles to those three. I can only assume it was an error in reporting and has been edited out.

Derek Smith

49,989 posts

279 months

Wednesday 7th December 2011
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poo at Paul's said:
My feiend is a senior policeman. he has always said that there is a very very very fine line between the very "best" CID guys and the crims they chase. To be able to catch them, to a degree you need similar traits, mindset and abilities. he's uniform now as a chief inspector, but was plane clothes for years.
I have to say I disagree with that. I've worked with a few police officers I would call top quality thief-takers and they all have been straight. A DC, who has just died, was known as one of the best in my force and the chap what just about as straight as you could get. The DI who nailed Bishop for att murder is highly moral and did not have the trait of utter selfishness that is so common with offenders. As I'm typing this I've reliased that the first thief-taker I worked with was very straight.

When I joined there was a strong undercurrent of corruption in CID. The Countryman Enquiry couldn't believe what they discovered. They were very much like those they were supposed to be chasing. But few had the dedication required to catch the big time villians. They were brutal and self serving in the main. If anything they were like the criminals because they were them.

I'd say the most common trait of top quality detectives is single-mindedness. Not something I'd accuse anything but a small minority of offenders of.