Britain after 6 years of austerity - Guardian
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So after 6 years of record spending, The Guardian paints a miserable picture of where we'll be. Vote Ed Balls Phers:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/dec/02/uk-...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/dec/02/uk-...
It's about 14 years since Labour took power in 1997. Back then people were not predicting an enormous financial disaster. The great depression hit at the end of the 1920s and lasted about 10 years. 10 years after that the world had just been through the most devastating conflict in history. I don't think either of those were predicted 10 years before they happened.
I suspect that 10 years from now, the situation will not be what people expect it to be, whether that is good or bad.
I suspect that 10 years from now, the situation will not be what people expect it to be, whether that is good or bad.
So The Graudian is comparing the misery of The Great War with our economic malaise? As long the editors get to keep their Islington town-house it shouldn't be too bad.
Fight Club said:
We're the middle children of history.... no purpose or place. We have no Great War, no Great Depression. Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives.
I do wish Labour were in government. When the Euro goes, knocking points from our GDP (you think it's bad now?) the Tory 'austerity' measures will be blamed. In fact, to escape from our non productive, high tax economy we need to actually cut, and cut hard.
Dealing with the 2m public sector strikers would be a good start (take them out and shoot them, perhaps!). Then cut tax so small businesses can get off the ground.
Dealing with the 2m public sector strikers would be a good start (take them out and shoot them, perhaps!). Then cut tax so small businesses can get off the ground.
Britain after 6 years of austerity? Newspaper drivel after 6 choruses of the Red Flag more like.
"It is 20 years since Tony Blair arrived in Downing Street to cheering crowds and with the slogan of Things Can Only Get Better..."
"Even so, the fact that Europe had come so close to the brink..."
"Osborne originally promised that the austerity would be over by 2015. Then, it was 2017..."
"Riots on the streets are no longer the shock they were in 2011, but have instead become part of Britain's summer season..."
"There is some breast-beating about the failure of the UK to invest quickly enough and deeply enough in the new industrial sectors – green technology, in particular..."
Is that The Guardian? Really? Whoda thunkit with all that slurping at Bliar's booty when the guy should be on trial, the blessed EU miraculously achieving salvation from the road to hell, Osborne as Scrooge when he's only wiping the dirt from Labour's collective backside, various downtrodden proles destroying property and nicking stuff from shop windows being tolerated as entertainment, and plugging bogus greenonomics which destroys more jobs than it creates.
What would Clarkson say about deluded writers of Guardian b
ks? Take them outside...for a spin in the latest supercar, naturally.
"It is 20 years since Tony Blair arrived in Downing Street to cheering crowds and with the slogan of Things Can Only Get Better..."
"Even so, the fact that Europe had come so close to the brink..."
"Osborne originally promised that the austerity would be over by 2015. Then, it was 2017..."
"Riots on the streets are no longer the shock they were in 2011, but have instead become part of Britain's summer season..."
"There is some breast-beating about the failure of the UK to invest quickly enough and deeply enough in the new industrial sectors – green technology, in particular..."
Is that The Guardian? Really? Whoda thunkit with all that slurping at Bliar's booty when the guy should be on trial, the blessed EU miraculously achieving salvation from the road to hell, Osborne as Scrooge when he's only wiping the dirt from Labour's collective backside, various downtrodden proles destroying property and nicking stuff from shop windows being tolerated as entertainment, and plugging bogus greenonomics which destroys more jobs than it creates.
What would Clarkson say about deluded writers of Guardian b
ks? Take them outside...for a spin in the latest supercar, naturally.If you thought the original article was bks, read this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/02/uk-2017-l...
Note it's in the business section...
"London, once known for its diversity, became progressively more socially and economically segregated after the 2011 austerity measures kicked in, triggering six years of social upheaval that changed the the city forever.
By 2015, academics had coined the phrase "urban neo-Victorian dystopia" to describe the dramatic social and spatial changes in the city they had begun to compare, with only a little exaggeration, with the London described by Charles Dickens 160 years earlier.
The housing benefit reforms of 2012 and 2013 had swept tens of thousands of lower income families out of inner London, to the fringes of the capital and beyond to Margate, Hastings, Milton Keynes and Luton.
This triggered an inexorable and progressive separation of rich and poor in the capital and helped unleash a wave of social problems."
ks, read this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/02/uk-2017-l...Note it's in the business section...
"London, once known for its diversity, became progressively more socially and economically segregated after the 2011 austerity measures kicked in, triggering six years of social upheaval that changed the the city forever.
By 2015, academics had coined the phrase "urban neo-Victorian dystopia" to describe the dramatic social and spatial changes in the city they had begun to compare, with only a little exaggeration, with the London described by Charles Dickens 160 years earlier.
The housing benefit reforms of 2012 and 2013 had swept tens of thousands of lower income families out of inner London, to the fringes of the capital and beyond to Margate, Hastings, Milton Keynes and Luton.
This triggered an inexorable and progressive separation of rich and poor in the capital and helped unleash a wave of social problems."
The only saving grace is that, in keeping a broad perspective by appraising the propaganda churned out by Grauniad lefties, it doesn't cost anything. If it was possible to perforate pixels and hang the virtual stuff in the loo as per the actual product it would be better still. Then again, it's nearly bust now so maybe it'll go bankrupt at some point in the near future.
Britain after however many years of austerity carries only one message - never vote Labour again.
Britain after however many years of austerity carries only one message - never vote Labour again.
'One of the few saving graces of the unprecedented economic crisis has been the collapse of the Guardian and Observer newspapers; despite clinging on due to subsidy from within the GMG, liquidation became inevitable when the full liabilities for the very large pensions allocated to former editors Alan Rubbisher and Roger Alton were made public.'
Fiction can be such fun to write; so liberating.
Fiction can be such fun to write; so liberating.
skinley said:
turbobloke said:
Britain after however many years of austerity carries only one message - never vote Labour again.
This man knows what he's talking about. Well said TB.As much as I agree with TB, the message the public have taken is "Tory cuts are evil, Labour is great". Look at the polls (apologies for formatting, the right hand figure is the Con lead - always negative!):
Survey End Date CON (%) LAB (%) LDEM (%) Con Lead
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-30 37 42 9 -5
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-29 38 41 9 -3
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-28 37 39 9 -2
TNS BMRB/ 2011-11-28 36 39 9 -3
ComRes/Independent 2011-11-27 37 39 10 -2
Survation/Daily Star 2011-11-25 32 34 12 -2
YouGov/Sunday Times 2011-11-25 34 43 11 -9
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-24 35 40 9 -5
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-23 35 40 11 -5
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-22 35 42 9 -7
Opinium/ 2011-11-21 36 37 9 -1
Ipsos-MORI/Reuters 2011-11-21 34 41 12 -7
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention
Edited by 0a on Saturday 3rd December 19:46
el stovey said:
Sure but the Conservatives can't keep blaming labour indefinitely. Clearly plan A is failing, it's not all the Tories fault and they have to stick to it but it's not going as well as people hoped.
It would be worse with Labour in charge still, thats for sure.
Plan A might be as good as it gets. I think it's pretty impressive we don't have negative growth given how we got here.It would be worse with Labour in charge still, thats for sure.
0a said:
If you thought the original article was bks, read this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/02/uk-2017-l...
Note it's in the business section...
"London, once known for its diversity, became progressively more socially and economically segregated after the 2011 austerity measures kicked in, triggering six years of social upheaval that changed the the city forever.
By 2015, academics had coined the phrase "urban neo-Victorian dystopia" to describe the dramatic social and spatial changes in the city they had begun to compare, with only a little exaggeration, with the London described by Charles Dickens 160 years earlier.
The housing benefit reforms of 2012 and 2013 had swept tens of thousands of lower income families out of inner London, to the fringes of the capital and beyond to Margate, Hastings, Milton Keynes and Luton.
This triggered an inexorable and progressive separation of rich and poor in the capital and helped unleash a wave of social problems."
To be honest the bit you've quoted there is entirely plausible , what with incomes stagnating or in decline, inflation rising, unemployment increasing, growth slowing that all adds up to average Joe being in a poorer position in the future. There are clearly those who are immune to this all, perhaps even profiting from it, the increase in company director pay for example, Soros type people, people like Phillip Green - tax untouchables so rich they can dodge taxation by jetting off to some tax haven, an influx of mega- rich people from BRICS countries, not necessarily to properly invest here but to snap up swanky London properties to spend a few months in the year. So yes it isn't hard to imagine there will be greater inequality in the years to come. I doubt inflationary increases in benefit payments will have the desired effect of placating the scum-class either. They are notoriously ungrateful. ks, read this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/02/uk-2017-l...Note it's in the business section...
"London, once known for its diversity, became progressively more socially and economically segregated after the 2011 austerity measures kicked in, triggering six years of social upheaval that changed the the city forever.
By 2015, academics had coined the phrase "urban neo-Victorian dystopia" to describe the dramatic social and spatial changes in the city they had begun to compare, with only a little exaggeration, with the London described by Charles Dickens 160 years earlier.
The housing benefit reforms of 2012 and 2013 had swept tens of thousands of lower income families out of inner London, to the fringes of the capital and beyond to Margate, Hastings, Milton Keynes and Luton.
This triggered an inexorable and progressive separation of rich and poor in the capital and helped unleash a wave of social problems."
What I think will ease the pain of the masses will be a bit of philantrophy amongst the elite, Victorian style. The problem is that many who can make a difference might feel they are not actually in this with the rest of us and we have a 'French Revolution' on our hands instead.
0a said:
If you thought the original article was bks, read this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/02/uk-2017-l...
Note it's in the business section...
"London, once known for its diversity, became progressively more socially and economically segregated after the 2011 austerity measures kicked in, triggering six years of social upheaval that changed the the city forever.
By 2015, academics had coined the phrase "urban neo-Victorian dystopia" to describe the dramatic social and spatial changes in the city they had begun to compare, with only a little exaggeration, with the London described by Charles Dickens 160 years earlier.
The housing benefit reforms of 2012 and 2013 had swept tens of thousands of lower income families out of inner London, to the fringes of the capital and beyond to Margate, Hastings, Milton Keynes and Luton.
This triggered an inexorable and progressive separation of rich and poor in the capital and helped unleash a wave of social problems."
I love how they say low income familes would be swept out of london because of housing benefit reforms. The poor lambs will have to live outside the city like most middle income families who don't get free housing.ks, read this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/02/uk-2017-l...Note it's in the business section...
"London, once known for its diversity, became progressively more socially and economically segregated after the 2011 austerity measures kicked in, triggering six years of social upheaval that changed the the city forever.
By 2015, academics had coined the phrase "urban neo-Victorian dystopia" to describe the dramatic social and spatial changes in the city they had begun to compare, with only a little exaggeration, with the London described by Charles Dickens 160 years earlier.
The housing benefit reforms of 2012 and 2013 had swept tens of thousands of lower income families out of inner London, to the fringes of the capital and beyond to Margate, Hastings, Milton Keynes and Luton.
This triggered an inexorable and progressive separation of rich and poor in the capital and helped unleash a wave of social problems."
0a said:
It's a shame the Tories are not actually cutting, and that people are so stupid then.
As much as I agree with TB, the message the public have taken is "Tory cuts are evil, Labour is great". Look at the polls (apologies for formatting, the right hand figure is the Con lead - always negative!):
Survey End Date CON (%) LAB (%) LDEM (%) Con Lead
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-30 37 42 9 -5
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-29 38 41 9 -3
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-28 37 39 9 -2
TNS BMRB/ 2011-11-28 36 39 9 -3
ComRes/Independent 2011-11-27 37 39 10 -2
Survation/Daily Star 2011-11-25 32 34 12 -2
YouGov/Sunday Times 2011-11-25 34 43 11 -9
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-24 35 40 9 -5
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-23 35 40 11 -5
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-22 35 42 9 -7
Opinium/ 2011-11-21 36 37 9 -1
Ipsos-MORI/Reuters 2011-11-21 34 41 12 -7
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention
I'm not saying that voting tory is the solution, but unfortunately it's all we've got at the moment. As much as I agree with TB, the message the public have taken is "Tory cuts are evil, Labour is great". Look at the polls (apologies for formatting, the right hand figure is the Con lead - always negative!):
Survey End Date CON (%) LAB (%) LDEM (%) Con Lead
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-30 37 42 9 -5
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-29 38 41 9 -3
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-28 37 39 9 -2
TNS BMRB/ 2011-11-28 36 39 9 -3
ComRes/Independent 2011-11-27 37 39 10 -2
Survation/Daily Star 2011-11-25 32 34 12 -2
YouGov/Sunday Times 2011-11-25 34 43 11 -9
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-24 35 40 9 -5
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-23 35 40 11 -5
YouGov/Sun 2011-11-22 35 42 9 -7
Opinium/ 2011-11-21 36 37 9 -1
Ipsos-MORI/Reuters 2011-11-21 34 41 12 -7
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention
98elise said:
I love how they say low income familes would be swept out of london because of housing benefit reforms. The poor lambs will have to live outside the city like most middle income families who don't get free housing.
I know, I moved out of South Ken because the rent was far too much, leaving behind the families who had kids who smashed off car mirrors who still live there today.Piss boiling.
As to the above comment that what my quote said it true, I don't doubt this. Blaming this on the Tory cuts is ridiculous, however.
turbobloke said:
Britain after however many years of austerity carries only one message - never vote Labour again.
You think that people will blame the friendly layabout party or the nasty tory party
The nasty party was in charge during the bad years therefore its the nasty party that are at fault
blueg33 said:
People forget unfortunately!
I seem to recall Labour had left a total mess when the Tories last got in.
It takes years to recover from a Labour Government
Yes, I was hoping the Lib Dems would have ended up as the official opposition and the Labour party falling to fourth place or worse, that's as much as they deserve.I seem to recall Labour had left a total mess when the Tories last got in.
It takes years to recover from a Labour Government
Unfortunately Labour aren't even a decent opposition. That £2 billion banker's bonus gets counted over and over again but I suppose that kind of arithmetic is what got us into this mess in the first place.
As for dropping VAT to get the economy going and keeps shops open that won't exactly help the long term growth of this country. All it would do is mean a few importers make a few more pounds while the public and private debt increases yet further. If it had been a big splurge on infrastructure maybe I could have believed them...
It's like the argument for increasing immigration to increase GDP. It's the GDP per capita that really matters and even then it really needs to be export led.
0a said:
I do wish Labour were in government. When the Euro goes, knocking points from our GDP (you think it's bad now?) the Tory 'austerity' measures will be blamed. In fact, to escape from our non productive, high tax economy we need to actually cut, and cut hard.
Dealing with the 2m public sector strikers would be a good start (take them out and shoot them, perhaps!). Then cut tax so small businesses can get off the ground.
What bloody austerity? They haven't cut anything! If they're moaning now they ain't seen nothing yet! Our biggest trading partner is imploding and they're striking because their pension is a little less and they have to work an extra 2 years? I think reality is something they have never contemplated, force majeure is likely to inflict itself upon them shortly without the option of the ostrich act working any more.Dealing with the 2m public sector strikers would be a good start (take them out and shoot them, perhaps!). Then cut tax so small businesses can get off the ground.
Edited by hidetheelephants on Sunday 4th December 14:12
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