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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-1606360...
Is this the beginnings of a WW3? Warfare is a strong word.
Is this the beginnings of a WW3? Warfare is a strong word.
Mr_B said:
I love their idea of what should be territorial waters !
Just been reading the wiki article on the islands - it does appear the Chinese have a legitimate claim (I say claim, not ownership!).They apparently charted and claimed the islands at the same time as the Vietnamese..
Not WW3, just the next step in their 100 year plan which started with Tibet and ends with Taiwan... or possibly the subjugation of Japan.
WW3 starts in a year or two, if the hand-wringing over Iran carries on. George W Bush and Tony Blair will be remembered for effectively preventing an (arguably necessary) western conflict with Iran, by carrying out a pointless war against Iraq ten years previously which makes it politically very difficult.
WW3 starts in a year or two, if the hand-wringing over Iran carries on. George W Bush and Tony Blair will be remembered for effectively preventing an (arguably necessary) western conflict with Iran, by carrying out a pointless war against Iraq ten years previously which makes it politically very difficult.
1 carrier undergoing sea trails and a further 2/3 under construction
Adding 4+ major surface combat vessels to their fleet every year
No wonder the surrounding countries are jittery
Fleet Inventory
250,000 personnel
1 Aircraft carrier (3 under construction)
3 Amphibious transport dock (LPD)
25 Destroyers (3 under construction)
47 Frigates (3 under construction)
63 Submarines
30 Landing Ship Tank (LST)
58 Landing Ship Medium (LSM)
332 Coastal Warfare Vessels
219 Auxiliary/Support vessels
140 Landing Crafts
Adding 4+ major surface combat vessels to their fleet every year
No wonder the surrounding countries are jittery
Fleet Inventory
250,000 personnel
1 Aircraft carrier (3 under construction)
3 Amphibious transport dock (LPD)
25 Destroyers (3 under construction)
47 Frigates (3 under construction)
63 Submarines
30 Landing Ship Tank (LST)
58 Landing Ship Medium (LSM)
332 Coastal Warfare Vessels
219 Auxiliary/Support vessels
140 Landing Crafts
Edited by jbi on Wednesday 7th December 11:50
I think we're heading for some very dangerous times ahead.
We have the Euro collapsing, it would appear that no matter what happens it's only a matter of time.
We have Putin getting back in Russia dn the stranglehold he will then have over Energy.
We have our own (and I expect Europe's in the same boat) looming energy crisis, where it's predicted ina 5-10 years we won't have enough power produced (because windymills don't work and Nukes haven't been built to take up the slack).
We have Iran determined to develop nuclear weapons (whether they want to use them or not).
We have China increasing it's financial impact on the world and increasing it's military.
We have Russia increasing it's military.
If our politicians aren't careful I do worry that they will sleep walk into a major conflict, and who know's what the sides will be made up of.
We have the Euro collapsing, it would appear that no matter what happens it's only a matter of time.
We have Putin getting back in Russia dn the stranglehold he will then have over Energy.
We have our own (and I expect Europe's in the same boat) looming energy crisis, where it's predicted ina 5-10 years we won't have enough power produced (because windymills don't work and Nukes haven't been built to take up the slack).
We have Iran determined to develop nuclear weapons (whether they want to use them or not).
We have China increasing it's financial impact on the world and increasing it's military.
We have Russia increasing it's military.
If our politicians aren't careful I do worry that they will sleep walk into a major conflict, and who know's what the sides will be made up of.
kers. 
jbi said:
1 carrier undergoing sea trails and a further 2/3 under construction
Adding 4+ major surface combat vessels to their fleet every year
No wonder the surrounding countries are jittery
Fleet Inventory
250,000 personnel
1 Aircraft carrier (3 under construction)
3 Amphibious transport dock (LPD)
25 Destroyers (3 under construction)
47 Frigates (3 under construction)
63 Submarines
30 Landing Ship Tank (LST)
58 Landing Ship Medium (LSM)
332 Coastal Warfare Vessels
219 Auxiliary/Support vessels
140 Landing Crafts
China doesn't have any operational carriers at the moment. It has one undergoing trials. They may not have any aircraft to put on it yet either as no Adding 4+ major surface combat vessels to their fleet every year
No wonder the surrounding countries are jittery
Fleet Inventory
250,000 personnel
1 Aircraft carrier (3 under construction)
3 Amphibious transport dock (LPD)
25 Destroyers (3 under construction)
47 Frigates (3 under construction)
63 Submarines
30 Landing Ship Tank (LST)
58 Landing Ship Medium (LSM)
332 Coastal Warfare Vessels
219 Auxiliary/Support vessels
140 Landing Crafts
Edited by jbi on Wednesday 7th December 11:50
one is quite sure if the Chinese knock off of the SU-33 is in production yet.
AshVX220 said:
I think we're heading for some very dangerous times ahead.
We have the Euro collapsing, it would appear that no matter what happens it's only a matter of time.
We have Putin getting back in Russia dn the stranglehold he will then have over Energy.
We have our own (and I expect Europe's in the same boat) looming energy crisis, where it's predicted ina 5-10 years we won't have enough power produced (because windymills don't work and Nukes haven't been built to take up the slack).
We have Iran determined to develop nuclear weapons (whether they want to use them or not).
We have China increasing it's financial impact on the world and increasing it's military.
We have Russia increasing it's military.
If our politicians aren't careful I do worry that they will sleep walk into a major conflict, and who know's what the sides will be made up of.
I'm gonna start learning Russian to be honest, Chinese is too hard and ive always wanted to visit Moscow (either as a tourist or a slave labourer)We have the Euro collapsing, it would appear that no matter what happens it's only a matter of time.
We have Putin getting back in Russia dn the stranglehold he will then have over Energy.
We have our own (and I expect Europe's in the same boat) looming energy crisis, where it's predicted ina 5-10 years we won't have enough power produced (because windymills don't work and Nukes haven't been built to take up the slack).
We have Iran determined to develop nuclear weapons (whether they want to use them or not).
We have China increasing it's financial impact on the world and increasing it's military.
We have Russia increasing it's military.
If our politicians aren't careful I do worry that they will sleep walk into a major conflict, and who know's what the sides will be made up of.
jbi said:
1 carrier undergoing sea trails and a further 2/3 under construction
Adding 4+ major surface combat vessels to their fleet every year
No wonder the surrounding countries are jittery
Fleet Inventory
250,000 personnel
1 Aircraft carrier (3 under construction)
3 Amphibious transport dock (LPD)
25 Destroyers (3 under construction)
47 Frigates (3 under construction)
63 Submarines
30 Landing Ship Tank (LST)
58 Landing Ship Medium (LSM)
332 Coastal Warfare Vessels
219 Auxiliary/Support vessels
140 Landing Crafts
and I counter that with:Adding 4+ major surface combat vessels to their fleet every year
No wonder the surrounding countries are jittery
Fleet Inventory
250,000 personnel
1 Aircraft carrier (3 under construction)
3 Amphibious transport dock (LPD)
25 Destroyers (3 under construction)
47 Frigates (3 under construction)
63 Submarines
30 Landing Ship Tank (LST)
58 Landing Ship Medium (LSM)
332 Coastal Warfare Vessels
219 Auxiliary/Support vessels
140 Landing Crafts
Edited by jbi on Wednesday 7th December 11:50
Number of active US aircraft carriers; 11
Number under construction: 2
and thats just the US.
Ju Jintao is frankly playing a bit of sabre rattling that at the moment he knows he can't back up.
They are beginning to annoy their neighbours by claiming lots of things are historically theirs. Those other countries aren't too pleased and now China has to say something to back up its claims.
At the moment this is all they have.
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