Sharm el Sheikh - Will it Survive?

[Jimbeaux]

Will the need for tourist money outweigh tribal versions of a religion?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2073610/Th...

[Digga]

Never been, but from what I hear there are a good few westerners who've been there and then spent days, weeks even, ejecting whole new universes of rusty water from their exit holes, it wasn't neccessarily a long-term, sure-fire bet anyway.

[Caulkhead]

A ban on alcohol will be most damaging, but you're in a better position to answer than us Jimbeaux, you're surrounded by dry counties and religious fundamentalists aren't you?

[Ali G]

If that's what the Egyptians want - then so be it.

As long as elections are fair and leaders elected democratically, then who are we to judge.

We're not too keen on topless bathing in public places in this country (although it may be a bit cold). Brits seem to need to go abroad to expose there bits.

[BrabusMog]

Sharm is horrible - I'd recommend Hurghada if people want a beach holiday in Egypt.

[Jimbeaux]

Caulkhead said:

A ban on alcohol will be most damaging, but you're in a better position to answer than us Jimbeaux, you're surrounded by dry counties and religious fundamentalists aren't you?

Only one dry county I know of near me (120 miles), besides, we have parishes in my state rather than counties. As for those few who are Christian fundamenttalists, they govern themselves in that way not the rest of us around them. As to what Muslim fundis will do, I would submit that you are in a better position to answer the question as you lot appear to be more and more influenced by the demands of that group.

[Puggit]

I thought booze was the only safe thing to drink there?

[Du1point8]

Good maybe it will go back to being the diving resort that it once was instead of an extension of Ibiza and the people who used to go 10 years ago now disappear down to dahab instead at the moment will come back.

The charter flights across to their are a absolute fking nightmare as its just louts drinking to passing out on the planes and the airlines don't care as long as they are buying the booze.

[Jimbeaux]

Ali G said:

If that's what the Egyptians want - then so be it.

As long as elections are fair and leaders elected democratically, then who are we to judge.

We're not too keen on topless bathing in public places in this country (although it may be a bit cold). Brits seem to need to go abroad to expose there bits.

Was not judging, simply asking opinions on who wins out, the tourism or the fundis.

[Caulkhead]

Jimbeaux said:

Caulkhead said:

A ban on alcohol will be most damaging, but you're in a better position to answer than us Jimbeaux, you're surrounded by dry counties and religious fundamentalists aren't you?

Only one dry county I know of near me (120 miles), besides, we have parishes in my state rather than counties. As for those few who are Christian fundamenttalists, they govern themselves in that way not the rest of us around them. As to what Muslim fundis will do, I would submit that you are in a better position to answer the question as you lot appear to be more and more influenced by the demands of that group.

You look pretty surrounded to me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USA_Dry_Map.png

And as for bowing to muslim demands, I think you've got the lead on as with that as well:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16472393/ns/travel-new...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=94c_1190671103

[Jimbeaux]

Caulkhead said:

Jimbeaux said:

Caulkhead said:

A ban on alcohol will be most damaging, but you're in a better position to answer than us Jimbeaux, you're surrounded by dry counties and religious fundamentalists aren't you?

Only one dry county I know of near me (120 miles), besides, we have parishes in my state rather than counties. As for those few who are Christian fundamenttalists, they govern themselves in that way not the rest of us around them. As to what Muslim fundis will do, I would submit that you are in a better position to answer the question as you lot appear to be more and more influenced by the demands of that group.

You look pretty surrounded to me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USA_Dry_Map.png

And as for bowing to muslim demands, I think you've got the lead on as with that as well:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16472393/ns/travel-new...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=94c_1190671103

Ermm. I live in Louisiana, recheck your map and delve into that word "surrounded". Look further at the "Wet" and "no data" percentages of your map. As to your Muslim cabbie article.....if you think that outpaces your lot's bowing to their demands, well then you continue to march soldier.

[willmcc]

Not in its current form but there will be plenty in Egypt who will like that. There is a big and growing market in the region for dry holidays and they will just aim for that market as Sharjah next to Dubai does, or they will put it behind closed doors like so many of the other regional countries do.
Lebanon, Dubai and others will pick up the booze market .

[MX7]

I think Sharm will die. No doubt there will be a new resort to fill the void. It'd be strange to see Surt become the new party location.

[Jimbeaux]

willmcc said:

Not in its current form but there will be plenty in Egypt who will like that. There is a big and growing market in the region for dry holidays and they will just aim for that market as Sharjah next to Dubai does, or they will put it behind closed doors like so many of the other regional countries do.
Lebanon, Dubai and others will pick up the booze market .

That is logical. The next part of the question seems to be rather the Muslim Brotherhood, who won the largest percentage of the election, will stick to their pledge of secular behavior or show themselves as being more allied with the more fundi group that won less votes.

[Ali G]

Jimbeaux said:

Was not judging, simply asking opinions on who wins out, the tourism or the fundis.

Hopefully, the poeple of Egypt will win out - tourists and tourism should have little consideration for them unless or until it is a priority.

I wish them well, but since there has to my knowledge, never been any form of a democracy in Egypt, its going to be a bit tough to get one going.

However, imho not sure too many Egyptians would swap one dictatorship with a worse one which may push them back to the medieval times. But if that's what they want...

In my opinion (for what its worth) I think the majority of Egypt is far too sophisticated and educated to be pushed back into a sharia law based muslim fundamentalist state.

[Caulkhead]

Jimbeaux said:

Caulkhead said:

Jimbeaux said:

Caulkhead said:

A ban on alcohol will be most damaging, but you're in a better position to answer than us Jimbeaux, you're surrounded by dry counties and religious fundamentalists aren't you?

Only one dry county I know of near me (120 miles), besides, we have parishes in my state rather than counties. As for those few who are Christian fundamenttalists, they govern themselves in that way not the rest of us around them. As to what Muslim fundis will do, I would submit that you are in a better position to answer the question as you lot appear to be more and more influenced by the demands of that group.

You look pretty surrounded to me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USA_Dry_Map.png

And as for bowing to muslim demands, I think you've got the lead on as with that as well:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16472393/ns/travel-new...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=94c_1190671103

Ermm. I live in Louisiana, recheck your map and delve into that word "surrounded". Look further at the "Wet" and "no data" percentages of your map. As to your Muslim cabbie article.....if you think that outpaces your lot's bowing to their demands, well then you continue to march soldier.

As I said, Louisiana is surrounded by dry counties, there are none where I live. . . . . .

As for the article, I don't see taxi drivers here refusing dogs or alcohol or getting foot baths built for them, so yep, I do think you are outpacing us. Why, you may even have a non-American muslim president one day. . . . .

[Pesty]

Ali G said:

...

In my opinion (for what its worth) I think the majority of Egypt is far too sophisticated and educated to be pushed back into a sharia law based muslim fundamentalist state.

The following table indicates statistics of population in 1996 related to their distribution during ten years according to the educational status:

Table no. (20)

Education status
Urban
Rural
Total in million

Illiterate Total in million

5.245554 urban
12.102191 rural
17.347745 total

Proportional distribution
% 30.24
% 69.76
% 100

[Ali G]

Pesty said:

Ali G said:

...

In my opinion (for what its worth) I think the majority of Egypt is far too sophisticated and educated to be pushed back into a sharia law based muslim fundamentalist state.

The following table indicates statistics of population in 1996 related to their distribution during ten years according to the educational status:

Table no. (20)

Education status
Urban
Rural
Total in million

Illiterate Total in million

5.245554 urban
12.102191 rural
17.347745 total

Proportional distribution
% 30.24
% 69.76
% 100

Slightly higher than the UK then!

[Jimbeaux]

Ali G said:

Jimbeaux said:

Was not judging, simply asking opinions on who wins out, the tourism or the fundis.

Hopefully, the poeple of Egypt will win out - tourists and tourism should have little consideration for them unless or until it is a priority.

I wish them well, but since there has to my knowledge, never been any form of a democracy in Egypt, its going to be a bit tough to get one going.

However, imho not sure too many Egyptians would swap one dictatorship with a worse one which may push them back to the medieval times. But if that's what they want...

In my opinion (for what its worth) I think the majority of Egypt is far too sophisticated and educated to be pushed back into a sharia law based muslim fundamentalist state.

Well put but I question two parts of your post. First, you stated that "if" tourism becomes a priority. I submit that tourism is a huge priority as it is paramount to their economy. Secondly, the "they are too sophisticated to be fooled" line of thinking is a bit shakey seeing as how they voted in those that hold much of what you refer to as medieval as a core philosophy. that said, I agree that it is a first stab at Democracy and it is important for them to get what they ask for. Part of the evolution of Democracy is to learn as you go. IIRC, the military is not keen on allowing a fundi takeover anyway.

[hbzboy]

willmcc said:

Not in its current form but there will be plenty in Egypt who will like that. There is a big and growing market in the region for dry holidays and they will just aim for that market as Sharjah next to Dubai does, or they will put it behind closed doors like so many of the other regional countries do.
Lebanon, Dubai and others will pick up the booze market .

Anyone been as I may be away there for two weeks in Jan?