I'll give the US a miss then, sounds worst than here!
I'll give the US a miss then, sounds worst than here!
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superkartracer

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8,959 posts

253 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nssw1bzBic&fea...

Police Tie Up 62yr Old Man Then Pepper Spray Him To Death 2011

What was the story behind this... surely he committed some kind of crime??

JohnnyJones

1,778 posts

209 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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That's disgraceful.

jbi

12,700 posts

235 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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You think this is bad... be sure never to visit eastern Europe or Russia

kieranjholland

3,606 posts

201 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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superkartracer said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nssw1bzBic&fea...

Police Tie Up 62yr Old Man Then Pepper Spray Him To Death 2011

What was the story behind this... surely he committed some kind of crime??
Top comment:

wotdoesitmatter said:
Pepper spray is banned for use in war by Article I.5 of the Chemical Weapons Convention
The US uses it on their citizens.
Nice place.
Not.

WhoseGeneration

4,090 posts

238 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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I hate the USA immigration officers, except it's really about the attitude of the USA Government.
Would you like my spend in your country or not?
If not, say so and I'll not come.
Tossers.

Pesty

42,655 posts

287 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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kieranjholland said:
Top comment:

Pepper spray is banned for use in war by Article I.5 of the Chemical Weapons Convention
The US uses it on their citizens.
Nice place.
Not.
Top comment? sorry buts thats just silly.

Would you rather he be subdued with pepper sprey or 9mm winchester ranger SXT or a batton to the head? The police use pepper sprey and other systems to try and do as little injury to the suspect not the other way around and they do it also to protect themslves when criminals go ballistic because they dont like being aressted.

To compair rules of war with doemstic police policy not really fair. PS you also have to use Ball amo in war but police can use jacketed hollow points.



Hold on guys Don't get me wrong it looks horrendous abuse without any other facts just playing devils advocate here.


Why did he have a spit mask on ? let me guess was he spitting at them? if so thats his fault

Why was he restrained? Was he attacking them? if he was tough st his fault

Why was he arrested in the first place? was he being mouthy to the police while being drunk?

Just a suggestion if you get arrested even if you are innocent be polite and 99.9 times out of a 100 you wont get killed by the police.

Kick off and act like a dick, get viloent and resist? well chances are your will get hurt somehow.

Kick off at every opportunity every minute you are in there and you might, might just get left tied to a chair covered in pepper sprey for the evening.

But who knows he may have been perfectly polite and they just didnt like the look of him.




Edited by Pesty on Thursday 29th December 02:58

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

249 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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I can reflect on this, my father got stopped and held for an hour on his way into the US. He has a US passport, he is retired forces of 24 years. Reason was because of my British Mother and the fact that he attempted to walk through the "non US Passport holders line" with us.

They are complete s, if only they knew just how bad they make the US and people within it look.


Pesty

42,655 posts

287 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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Ps

If you think that is bad read up about Ruby Ridge.

Anyway if anybody here has tickets to the US and no longer wants to go because a guy had a heart attack at a police station after probably attacking them, I'll take them.

I love the country

Boozy

2,427 posts

250 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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anonymous said:
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So you'd dismiss an entire country and it's people based on the folks working at the immigration desk?

skinley

1,681 posts

191 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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Pesty said:
Top comment? sorry buts thats just silly.

Would you rather he be subdued with pepper sprey or 9mm winchester ranger SXT or a batton to the head? The police use pepper sprey and other systems to try and do as little injury to the suspect not the other way around and they do it also to protect themslves when criminals go ballistic because they dont like being aressted.

To compair rules of war with doemstic police policy not really fair. PS you also have to use Ball amo in war but police can use jacketed hollow points.



Hold on guys Don't get me wrong it looks horrendous abuse without any other facts just playing devils advocate here.


Why did he have a spit mask on ? let me guess was he spitting at them? if so thats his fault

Why was he restrained? Was he attacking them? if he was tough st his fault

Why was he arrested in the first place? was he being mouthy to the police while being drunk?

Just a suggestion if you get arrested even if you are innocent be polite and 99.9 times out of a 100 you wont get killed by the police.

Kick off and act like a dick, get viloent and resist? well chances are your will get hurt somehow.

Kick off at every opportunity every minute you are in there and you might, might just get left tied to a chair covered in pepper sprey for the evening.

But who knows he may have been perfectly polite and they just didnt like the look of him.




Edited by Pesty on Thursday 29th December 02:58
I've never seen so many spelling mistakes in one post. Are you an American?

UnderTheRadar

503 posts

204 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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It's a different culture. For example they have the right to bear arms which if I was a police officer would make me take a different approach to a UK officer. Just because their language is similar to ours doesn't mean we can expect them to be the same as us. You wouldn't travel thousands of miles to some Middle East or Asian state and expect them to be as us - yet somehow people expect it of the US. Two US girlfriends and visiting my brother when working there gave me a little insight into US culture and it is different but I liked it.

Edited by UnderTheRadar on Thursday 29th December 05:14

Stu R

21,701 posts

246 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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Love how easy the hard of thinking can generalise 300+ million people biglaugh

UnderTheRadar

503 posts

204 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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Stu R said:
Love how easy the hard of thinking can generalise 300+ million people biglaugh
Hope you weren't talking about me smile I'm almost certainly hard of thinking but I appreciate the differences of culture both from east to west and north to south. I don't think many appreciate you could pick up the UK with all it's social divides and sectarianism and drop it into Texas without a ripple.

Pints

18,451 posts

225 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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Boozy said:
So you'd dismiss an entire country and it's people based on the folks working at the immigration desk?
Absolutely. Limited travel in the past decade would suggest it's a very accurate means.

Stu R

21,701 posts

246 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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UnderTheRadar said:
Stu R said:
Love how easy the hard of thinking can generalise 300+ million people biglaugh
Hope you weren't talking about me smile
Far from it, your post was spot on really smile

Puggit

49,832 posts

279 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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Boozy said:
So you'd dismiss an entire country and it's people based on the folks working at the immigration desk?
First impressions last wink

Air NZ fly home from London alternating between Los Angeles and the Far East. Travellers have to get off the plane at LA, go through US immigration and then reboard. For some reason this direction is far less popular!

Athlon

5,953 posts

237 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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anonymous said:
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I have to say, I have been to the U.S many times in the past and have good mates there, I am done going now because the way you are delt with at customs is not worth the hassle, I am sure they act like that to bugger up your first day or so holiday!

Miguel Alvarez

5,189 posts

201 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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I've only had one incident at Neward. The immigration officer was an obnoxious tt. Short story I'd been the previous year for 2 weeks couldn't remember the exact dates but it was we shall say December. The IO was constantly trying to trick me into saying I'd stayed longer than my two weeks and implied I'd been living their illegally. Had to cut him short and say that my passport shows I'd been here for 2 weeks. If I somehow managed to get my passport stamped but stayed in the country then I'm a bit smarter than you're giving me credit for and you're silly questions aren't going to trip me up. I try and avoid upsetting IO's and people who serve me food but everyone once in a while someone pushes my buttons. Never had any trouble since.


Crafty_

14,221 posts

231 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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Never had a problem with the TSA guys, sure sometimes they aren't all that cheery, but would you be after 8 hours of swiping passports ?

Anyway, back to this guy - apparently the incident was in 2009. He was arrested several times before being detained and was suffering some sort of breakdown and was on a long list of medication which the police were not aware of, neither did they have medical records.

Homicide trial set up for 2012.

Teppic

8,096 posts

288 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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UnderTheRadar said:
It's a different culture. For example they have the right to bear arms