Milliband admitting their mistakes??
Discussion
From the bbc, but even with their spin on it, you can still see what he is trying to say:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16473548
Mr Miliband will use a speech in London to challenge those "who say Labour is only a party for good times".
He will say he "relishes the challenge" of taking Labour forward and dealing with the UK's economic problems.
Mr Miliband is also expected to address questions about his leadership which has been subject to recent speculation.
The opposition leader will say that with less money go round Labour must rethink how it hopes to achieve fairness across the UK.
While David Cameron offers "more of the same", Labour would reform the economy to ensure rewards are "fairly shared".
In his first major speech of the year, the Labour leader will tell community groups the tough economic climate is a challenge for the opposition and very different from the benign economic conditions which faced the party when it won successive elections in 1997, 2001 and 2005.
"We live in tough times," he will say.
"In the years ahead, there will be less money to spend. It is a challenge for Labour.
"It is the same challenge facing parties on the centre-left all around the world. And it is a challenge for me. A challenge I relish."
Mr Miliband will argue that the "failure" of the government's economic policy will ensure that whoever wins the next election - scheduled for 2015 - will inherit a budget deficit, spending constraints and a "different landscape" from that which they may have once expected.
"We will have to make difficult choices that all of us wish we did not have to make," he will say.
"Labour knows what fairness means. It always will. But we must rethink how we achieve it for Britain. The ideas which won three elections won't be the ideas which win the election in 2015. So we will be a different party from the one we were in the past."
Amid claims the public is unconvinced by Labour's economic strategy, Mr Miliband will argue he has led the debate in his call for "responsible capitalism" and for action to tackle the pressure on living standards for low and middle earners.
"Everyone is now joining us talking about the squeezed middle," he will say. "But it is not enough just to talk about them. Suddenly David Cameron is falling over himself to say he too is burning with passion to take on 'crony capitalism'. Now he has accepted this, the battleground of politics, I say 'bring it on'.
Labour have dismissed speculation about Mr Miliband's leadership, saying the party is united behind him and the vision he has set out for reforming the economy and society.
Shadow Europe minister Emma Reynolds rejected suggestions the speech - on the day Parliament returns from the Christmas recess - was effectively a "re-launch" of his leadership and suggested "nobody had heard" of critic Lord Glasman in her constituency.
She told the BBC's Daily Politics: "Is he re-launching? Not necessarily. We are back in Parliament. That (making speeches) is what politicians usually do. Why should that be any different to a normal new year?"
'Shaky start'
A number of senior party figures, including former home secretary Alan Johnson and shadow defence secretary Jim Murphy, have said Labour cannot oppose all the government's spending cuts and must put forward a credible programme for reducing the deficit while protecting the most disadvantaged.
Mr Johnson has suggested Labour's message on the economy "is not getting through".
He told the Daily Mirror that Labour had had a "shaky start" to the year in what was a "pivotal" period for the party as it tries to establish itself as a credible alternative government.
Mr Miliband's leadership has been questioned in some quarters in recent weeks with ex-adviser and Labour peer Lord Glasman saying Labour seemed to have "no strategy and little strategy".
Mr Johnson - who quit as shadow chancellor in January 2010 - said the public "remained suspicious" about Labour.
While praising Mr Miliband's leadership on key issues, he said he must do more to "hammer home Labour's message" and provide an "authentic voice".
Labour needed to hone its message, act less like a "debating society" and stop apologising for the mistakes of the last government, he added.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16473548
Mr Miliband will use a speech in London to challenge those "who say Labour is only a party for good times".
He will say he "relishes the challenge" of taking Labour forward and dealing with the UK's economic problems.
Mr Miliband is also expected to address questions about his leadership which has been subject to recent speculation.
The opposition leader will say that with less money go round Labour must rethink how it hopes to achieve fairness across the UK.
While David Cameron offers "more of the same", Labour would reform the economy to ensure rewards are "fairly shared".
In his first major speech of the year, the Labour leader will tell community groups the tough economic climate is a challenge for the opposition and very different from the benign economic conditions which faced the party when it won successive elections in 1997, 2001 and 2005.
"We live in tough times," he will say.
"In the years ahead, there will be less money to spend. It is a challenge for Labour.
"It is the same challenge facing parties on the centre-left all around the world. And it is a challenge for me. A challenge I relish."
Mr Miliband will argue that the "failure" of the government's economic policy will ensure that whoever wins the next election - scheduled for 2015 - will inherit a budget deficit, spending constraints and a "different landscape" from that which they may have once expected.
"We will have to make difficult choices that all of us wish we did not have to make," he will say.
"Labour knows what fairness means. It always will. But we must rethink how we achieve it for Britain. The ideas which won three elections won't be the ideas which win the election in 2015. So we will be a different party from the one we were in the past."
Amid claims the public is unconvinced by Labour's economic strategy, Mr Miliband will argue he has led the debate in his call for "responsible capitalism" and for action to tackle the pressure on living standards for low and middle earners.
"Everyone is now joining us talking about the squeezed middle," he will say. "But it is not enough just to talk about them. Suddenly David Cameron is falling over himself to say he too is burning with passion to take on 'crony capitalism'. Now he has accepted this, the battleground of politics, I say 'bring it on'.
Labour have dismissed speculation about Mr Miliband's leadership, saying the party is united behind him and the vision he has set out for reforming the economy and society.
Shadow Europe minister Emma Reynolds rejected suggestions the speech - on the day Parliament returns from the Christmas recess - was effectively a "re-launch" of his leadership and suggested "nobody had heard" of critic Lord Glasman in her constituency.
She told the BBC's Daily Politics: "Is he re-launching? Not necessarily. We are back in Parliament. That (making speeches) is what politicians usually do. Why should that be any different to a normal new year?"
'Shaky start'
A number of senior party figures, including former home secretary Alan Johnson and shadow defence secretary Jim Murphy, have said Labour cannot oppose all the government's spending cuts and must put forward a credible programme for reducing the deficit while protecting the most disadvantaged.
Mr Johnson has suggested Labour's message on the economy "is not getting through".
He told the Daily Mirror that Labour had had a "shaky start" to the year in what was a "pivotal" period for the party as it tries to establish itself as a credible alternative government.
Mr Miliband's leadership has been questioned in some quarters in recent weeks with ex-adviser and Labour peer Lord Glasman saying Labour seemed to have "no strategy and little strategy".
Mr Johnson - who quit as shadow chancellor in January 2010 - said the public "remained suspicious" about Labour.
While praising Mr Miliband's leadership on key issues, he said he must do more to "hammer home Labour's message" and provide an "authentic voice".
Labour needed to hone its message, act less like a "debating society" and stop apologising for the mistakes of the last government, he added.
Funny the bit about
VERY badly, he is audibly taken aback when JH goes on the attack and gets a bit snippy. Wonderful to hear JH twist the knife about the party not liking him. Did make me chuckle when Beaker said that he spent most of his time outside of Westminster. I guess that's because his party don't like him.
I have a theory on why Ed Millibland is still leader of the Labour Party.
The conservatives are doing enough to win the next election and this will most probably be a majority government. Labour know this, they also know that if or rather 'when' they loose, the leader will need to go. Putting someone like Ed Balls, who, politics aside just comes across as more legitimate and natural leader, in now would most likely mean them loosing them at the next election.
Thus, Millibland is a sacrificial lamb!
Just a theory of course.
The conservatives are doing enough to win the next election and this will most probably be a majority government. Labour know this, they also know that if or rather 'when' they loose, the leader will need to go. Putting someone like Ed Balls, who, politics aside just comes across as more legitimate and natural leader, in now would most likely mean them loosing them at the next election.
Thus, Millibland is a sacrificial lamb!
Just a theory of course.
miniman said:
BBC said:
Mr Miliband will argue that the "failure" of the government's economic policy will ensure that whoever wins the next election - scheduled for 2015 - will inherit a budget deficit
So this is a clear admission, then, that the previous government's economic policy failed too. On Radio 4 this morning Milliband said that it was the Government's policy of cutting too far and too fast that would mean there would still be a deficit by the time of the next election. Nothing to do with Labour spunking cash up the wall AT ALL.
StevieBee said:
I have a theory on why Ed Millibland is still leader of the Labour Party.
The conservatives are doing enough to win the next election and this will most probably be a majority government. Labour know this, they also know that if or rather 'when' they loose, the leader will need to go. Putting someone like Ed Balls, who, politics aside just comes across as more legitimate and natural leader, in now would most likely mean them loosing them at the next election.
Thus, Millibland is a sacrificial lamb!
Just a theory of course.
I think this is the case. Ed M is cannon fodder. Just an expendable nobody to get them through the years when they are unelecteable, even in the eyes of the average voter.The conservatives are doing enough to win the next election and this will most probably be a majority government. Labour know this, they also know that if or rather 'when' they loose, the leader will need to go. Putting someone like Ed Balls, who, politics aside just comes across as more legitimate and natural leader, in now would most likely mean them loosing them at the next election.
Thus, Millibland is a sacrificial lamb!
Just a theory of course.
His brother is the one they are saving for whenever they have a chance again. (God forbid)
Marf said:
What on earth makes you think Ed Testes is more electable than Beaker?
Compared to Millibland, I think Diane Abbott is more electable!(Maybe not)
It's about how somebody carries and presents themselves. Ball 'looks' better and today, looks and presentation can count for an awful lot.
StevieBee said:
It's about how somebody carries and presents themselves. Ball 'looks' better and today, looks and presentation can count for an awful lot.
I just don't think he is electable either. He makes my skin crawl.Don't forget that it is middle class swing voters that make or break a Labour electoral victory.
Camoradi said:
StevieBee said:
I have a theory on why Ed Millibland is still leader of the Labour Party.
The conservatives are doing enough to win the next election and this will most probably be a majority government. Labour know this, they also know that if or rather 'when' they loose, the leader will need to go. Putting someone like Ed Balls, who, politics aside just comes across as more legitimate and natural leader, in now would most likely mean them loosing them at the next election.
Thus, Millibland is a sacrificial lamb!
Just a theory of course.
I think this is the case. Ed M is cannon fodder. Just an expendable nobody to get them through the years when they are unelecteable, even in the eyes of the average voter.The conservatives are doing enough to win the next election and this will most probably be a majority government. Labour know this, they also know that if or rather 'when' they loose, the leader will need to go. Putting someone like Ed Balls, who, politics aside just comes across as more legitimate and natural leader, in now would most likely mean them loosing them at the next election.
Thus, Millibland is a sacrificial lamb!
Just a theory of course.
His brother is the one they are saving for whenever they have a chance again. (God forbid)
Beaker was choosen as their best bet as Labour was convinced they would win the last election and are convinced they will win the next one
In one phrase he sums up why he should never be elected:
Guardian Blog said:
12.10pm: ITN's Tom Bradby asks if Miliband should admit that Labour spent too much.
Miliband says he does not accept that. The deficit went up because of the banking crisis. In America there is a deficit too. And that's not because of Labour's over-spending.
Even some Labour worshippers I have met say they spent too much!Miliband says he does not accept that. The deficit went up because of the banking crisis. In America there is a deficit too. And that's not because of Labour's over-spending.
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