'Scottish' Oil and the Shetlands.
'Scottish' Oil and the Shetlands.
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johnfm

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13,751 posts

281 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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What will an independent Scotland do when the 22,000 people of Shetland decide to become independent and claim the revenues from 'their' oil?

Surely if Scotland go their own way (which is discussed in the other thread), the Shetland's version of Alex Salmond will do the same thing as Salmond - call for independence and control over the oil revenues.

Regiment

2,799 posts

190 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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johnfm said:
What will an independent Scotland do when the 22,000 people of Shetland decide to become independent and claim the revenues from 'their' oil?

Surely if Scotland go their own way (which is discussed in the other thread), the Shetland's version of Alex Salmond will do the same thing as Salmond - call for independence and control over the oil revenues.
That's when the mighty Scottish Navy rolls into action and starts bombarding the coastline of the Shetlands with Alex Salmond on the bridge of his ship snarling into the tannoy of the Independant Scottish Fleet to take no prisoners?

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

235 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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We will say that there is only a few years of oil left and invent a few other facts before throwing a load of insults about blue faces and sheep shagging

12gauge

1,274 posts

205 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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I thought Salmond was one of these green loonies against any sort of Drilling?

Paul Dishman

5,423 posts

268 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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Alex Salmond's nightmare. They'd have an excellent case using his arguements back on him-decisions in Lerwick rather than 300 miles away in Edinburgh etc

Riff Raff

5,462 posts

226 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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I thought there was a possibility of oil off the west coast too?

Independence for Lewis. I'll move back!

bodhi

14,779 posts

260 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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Are you for real? Did you really just ask a question based on the Shetland Isles being granted independence?

Seeing as its a bit of a silly question let's go with a silly answer.

We will make up the shortfall by punting Ice Skates to the Devil.

johnfm

Original Poster:

13,751 posts

281 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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I expect the very small population of the Shetlands would make it very very attractive for them too.

WOuld be a very interesting exercise in sauce for the goose & gander...

johnfm

Original Poster:

13,751 posts

281 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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bodhi said:
Are you for real? Did you really just ask a question based on the Shetland Isles being granted independence?

Seeing as its a bit of a silly question let's go with a silly answer.

We will make up the shortfall by punting Ice Skates to the Devil.
As a thought experiment, tell me the substantive differences in principle between Scotland's quest for independence and a theoretical quest for Shetland's independence.

anonymous-user

85 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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Hmmm, a little bit of research shows that they do have their own flag, so on the basis that the British empire was created essentially by turning up on shores around the world then sticking our flag in the ground, they do have a good claim for independence.

....they even have their own version of wikipedia, 'shetlopedia'!

However, you're clearly looking to stir up a reaction by doing a bit of trolling aren't you OP tongue out

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

235 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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I think he is looking for

"Oh we are so stupid north of the border and without the oil we are lost

Oh please please save us oh wise english people as we should worship you like gods"

cerbfan

1,199 posts

258 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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Plus Shetland probably would not have any entitlement over any oil fields as international convention dictates that Sea is divided up based on the length of coastline which in Shetlands case is not very much at all and is why Scotland would get so much more of the Sea and therefore oil fields than England.

AJI

5,180 posts

248 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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When oil was found and claimed in the North Sea would I be right in saying that it was the UK that found it and claimed it?
Therefore if this is true then the UK's north sea territorial waters and 'goodies' within belong to the UK and not an independant scotland.


thinfourth2

32,414 posts

235 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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AJI said:
When oil was found and claimed in the North Sea would I be right in saying that it was the UK that found it and claimed it?
Therefore if this is true then the UK's north sea territorial waters and 'goodies' within belong to the UK and not an independant scotland.
Are we confusing england with the UK again?

anonymous-user

85 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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i'm just wondering if after the referendum fails alex salmond is going to be hung drawn and quartered, like on braveheart.

AJI

5,180 posts

248 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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thinfourth2 said:
Are we confusing england with the UK again?
Never mentioned England and I was careful not to. What I was trying to say was that if the UK found and claimed the territorial waters and its 'assets' then as long as the UK exists in a recognised form then it would still belong to the UK and not an independant scotland.


cerbfan

1,199 posts

258 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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But that is not how it works it works on international convention. 90% of oil is the figure that is being bandied about and I've not seen anyone especially from any of the main political parties disputing this as yet.

AJI said:
When oil was found and claimed in the North Sea would I be right in saying that it was the UK that found it and claimed it?
Therefore if this is true then the UK's north sea territorial waters and 'goodies' within belong to the UK and not an independant scotland.

anonymous-user

85 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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yes but scotland will inherit it's share of the UK's stuff. We'd calve off scotland as a separate country, with it's share of public debt, coastal waters, etc. etc.

DJRC

23,563 posts

267 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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cerbfan said:
Plus Shetland probably would not have any entitlement over any oil fields as international convention dictates that Sea is divided up based on the length of coastline which in Shetlands case is not very much at all and is why Scotland would get so much more of the Sea and therefore oil fields than England.
Yes, I can just see that notion going down well for any politician who tried to argue it.

It is an unlikely hypothesis by the OP, but nevertheless is a vaguely amusing irony in the motion and the notion of the Salmon's arrogance being turned round on himself.

Id frankly fall over laughing if such a thing happened and the Shetlands promptly turned round and applied for membership back to the UK again.

In other words its all vaguely laughable.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

235 months

Thursday 12th January 2012
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DJRC said:
Yes, I can just see that notion going down well for any politician who tried to argue it.

It is an unlikely hypothesis by the OP, but nevertheless is a vaguely amusing irony in the motion and the notion of the Salmon's arrogance being turned round on himself.

Id frankly fall over laughing if such a thing happened and the Shetlands promptly turned round and applied for membership back to the UK again.

In other words its all vaguely laughable.
Nice of you to wish failure for an independant Scotland showing your true colours

Anyway the shetlands would never even vaguely consider joining engerlllaaannnnndddddddd as they are closer in many many ways to Norway