A day from giving Gibraltar to Spain
A day from giving Gibraltar to Spain
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Esseesse

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9,027 posts

239 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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Can't see this mentioned anywhere.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/297565/Labour-...

Expess.co.uk said:
LABOUR was one day away from handing Gibraltar to Spain in a deal kept hidden from residents of the Rock, it was revealed yesterday.

Former Europe Minister Peter Hain’s memoirs disclosed details of secret talks with Spain.

He admitted being desperate to sweep away the “colonial nonsense” of British rule over the Rock and agreed a deal without letting the people of Gibraltar know.

The plot was thwarted when Tony Blair and Spanish Premier Jose Maria Aznar had second thoughts.

In his book Outside In, he also revealed Mr Blair and Foreign Secretary Jack Straw enthusiastically backed a plan for sharing sovereignty of Gibraltar that would have brought 300 years of British rule to an end.

“Jack’s desire to do something about Gibraltar coincided with my gut instinct that it was ridiculous in the modern age for Britain to have a colony on the tip of Spain nearly 2,000 miles away,” Mr Hain wrote.

Mr Blair supported the plan “because he attached great importance to a close relationship with Spain and Italy in that order,” said Mr Hain, adding: “I don’t regret what we did.”

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Northern Munkee

5,354 posts

231 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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More British hating!

StottyZr

6,860 posts

194 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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I don't think this is true.

Esseesse

Original Poster:

9,027 posts

239 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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StottyZr said:
I don't think this is true.
Really, please share why?

EDLT

15,421 posts

237 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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So we were only one day away, the only thing stopping it was the leaders of both countries didn't want to go through with it. Mountains out of molehills. rolleyes

Targarama

14,791 posts

314 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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EDLT said:
So we were only one day away, the only thing stopping it was the leaders of both countries didn't want to go through with it. Mountains out of molehills. rolleyes
Agreed, but it is another example of Tony Bliar's great leadership.

skwdenyer

18,707 posts

271 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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So, err, the Spanish premier, leader of a country that has campaigned for decades to absorb Gibralter into Spain, had second thoughts? Something strange here...

hornetrider

63,161 posts

236 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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Peter Hain is a tt.

Northern Munkee

5,354 posts

231 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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I can believe it, this is much same as Lucas said about the Falklands on QT last week. Straight out of the same typical commie fifth column approach of the left in this country.

You are handed a winning lottery ticket in life being born in the UK and then develop some peculiar shoulder chip, given all the advantages this post war baby boomer generation by accident of birth, free (for them) university education then they realise the only way to put themselves on top of the pile is to turn us into commune or a tractor factory. Its all 6th form, uni' joined the Socialist Workers Party/Trotsky bks.

Selling us, the people of UK's legacy out for their social, latterly EU, experiment.

And the British "working classes" whos values they claim to trumpet, don't believe any of this ste. If Gibraltar wants to british then they had no fking business discussing it! Self determination is a basic Ooman Right.

fking troughers!

bigandclever

14,414 posts

269 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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skwdenyer said:
So, err, the Spanish premier, leader of a country that has campaigned for decades to absorb Gibralter into Spain, had second thoughts? Something strange here...
the express said:
a plan for sharing sovereignty of Gibraltar
If, indeed, it happened, it will surely have been refused on these grounds. The Spanish want total control, not some co-habiting agreement.

Hooli

32,278 posts

231 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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More treason from bLiar's bunch of scum if it's true.

Jasandjules

72,680 posts

260 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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Hooli said:
More treason from bLiar's bunch of scum if it's true.
Indeed. We are going to need an awfully long wall.........

Amateurish

8,287 posts

253 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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On the other hand, it is a bit mental that we have a random colony stuck on the end of Spain. I'm sure we'd be pretty cheesed if Land's End belonged to Germany (say).

7mike

3,215 posts

224 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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Amateurish said:
On the other hand, it is a bit mental that we have a random colony stuck on the end of Spain. I'm sure we'd be pretty cheesed if Land's End belonged to Germany (say).
Why? If had been part of that country since long before any of us were born and the people of Land's End wished things to remain that way?

May have been a bit awkward back in the 30's & 40's though hehe

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

277 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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hornetrider said:
Peter Hain is a tt.
A welcome opportunity to agree with you absolutely 100%!

Picture a new reality TV series in the tradition of Big Brother; the title is "Two Peter" and the titl sequence is strangely reminiscent of Blue Peter. Richard Bacon hosts.

The twice weekly half-hour show features Peter Hain and Peter Mandelson handcuffed together with the key sealed in a time-vault for 10 years. We see how their relationship develops over the decade as the two explore the real world outside Westminster.

Episode 1 - the plucky lads get their first job
Episode 2 - Peter H joins the anti-capitalist demo; Mandy pretends he's not there
Episode 3 - Peter M plans their holidays - beach or yacht?
Episode 4 - tea with His Toniness and Cherie
Episode 5 - ........

powerstroke

10,283 posts

191 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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Ozzie Osmond said:
hornetrider said:
Peter Hain is a tt.
A welcome opportunity to agree with you absolutely 100%!

Picture a new reality TV series in the tradition of Big Brother; the title is "Two Peter" and the titl sequence is strangely reminiscent of Blue Peter. Richard Bacon hosts.

The twice weekly half-hour show features Peter Hain and Peter Mandelson handcuffed together with the key sealed in a time-vault for 10 years. We see how their relationship develops over the decade as the two explore the real world outside Westminster.

Episode 1 - the plucky lads get their first job
Episode 2 - Peter H joins the anti-capitalist demo; Mandy pretends he's not there
Episode 3 - Peter M plans their holidays - beach or yacht?
Episode 4 - tea with His Toniness and Cherie
Episode 5 - ........
They go for a spray tan to top up on orange, one bends down .....biggrin???



Edited by powerstroke on Tuesday 24th January 15:16

StottyZr

6,860 posts

194 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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Esseesse said:
StottyZr said:
I don't think this is true.
Really, please share why?
See the comments below. It doesn't make any logical sense... Giving Gibraltar to Spain for the reasons stated would mean were giving the Falklands to Argentina... I can't see that happening. And the Spanish PM backed out... What? confused

V88Dicky

7,373 posts

214 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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Why does no-one ever mention Ceuta and Melilla?

The Spanish have some neck.

crankedup

25,764 posts

274 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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Bloke publishes memoirs, shock ! horror! secret revelations explode into public domain!
Just laughable, still, the story may find a few believers.rolleyes

offendi

244 posts

178 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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Hmmm the express?? they put the Pap in paper.

Truth and news are in no way related to their business model, its evidently a comic for gown ups who are scared of anyone not 100% like themselves and 23.7% of all OP's in the lounge.
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