Foreign lorries pay per day in the UK
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Its a frankly silly idea
They plan to do it by charging all lorries in the UK 10 pounds a day and then UK based companies have to claim it back. So its an extra cost for everyone as well as admin costs.
Add in the fact that foreign lorries are either bringing stuff into the UK or out of the UK I really can't see how it helps the UK.
Yes lorries do damage to UK roads but aren't we as UK road users paying ten times more in motoring taxes then what is actually spent on the roads.
They plan to do it by charging all lorries in the UK 10 pounds a day and then UK based companies have to claim it back. So its an extra cost for everyone as well as admin costs.
Add in the fact that foreign lorries are either bringing stuff into the UK or out of the UK I really can't see how it helps the UK.
Yes lorries do damage to UK roads but aren't we as UK road users paying ten times more in motoring taxes then what is actually spent on the roads.
Guam said:
As someone who has to pay Swiss Road Tax everytime I have to transit that country to get to Italy and the Toll road fees I pay in France every year I am all for this.
Which is exactly why we shouldn't be charging foreign lorries as they aren't transiting the UK to reach another countryGuam said:
The charging of UK trucks is b
ks though, they dont need to do this as they can tell from the Number plate its a UK truck ffs!
Its because of EU rules we can't treat foreign lorries differentlyks though, they dont need to do this as they can tell from the Number plate its a UK truck ffs!Its about time foreign trucks were made to pay for using our roads. It should also be stretched to any foreign vehicle that comes from a country that uses toll roads on its main highways.
Its only fair that if UK vehicles have to pay to use their roads then they should pay to use ours.
Its only fair that if UK vehicles have to pay to use their roads then they should pay to use ours.
thinfourth2 said:
AJI said:
Its about time foreign trucks were made to pay for using our roads.
Why?I have a lorry coming in from norway later this week to pick-up stuff made in the UK
Why should we make the UK more expensive to buy from?
thinfourth2 said:
Why?
I have a lorry coming in from norway later this week to pick-up stuff made in the UK
Why should we make the UK more expensive to buy from?
in the name of fairness... if a UK truck was going to pick up some goods in say France and it had to use the highways it would have to pay tolls, making it more expensive for you to buy.I have a lorry coming in from norway later this week to pick-up stuff made in the UK
Why should we make the UK more expensive to buy from?
But the way I did my earlier post was to signle out the countries that have tolled highways and those that don't. And to only charge the use of UK road to those that have tolled highways in their own country.
How thats done through technology is of course a different subject. But as we are just discussing the rationality of it all then I think its a fairer system.
Edited by AJI on Wednesday 25th January 09:45
As I see it, the major nuisances caused by foreign trucks on our roads are:
- illegal vehicles/drivers/tachos
- poor understanding and use of our roads - which does lead to some avoidable accidents
- foreign (mostly Eastern European) truckers turning areas in massive truck parks, surrounded by st, litter and discarded piss bottles (to name just some of the detritus) and causing nuisance to local traffic while they wait for return loads
Digga said:
As I see it, the major nuisances caused by foreign trucks on our roads are:
It could provide funding for more traffic police, it could provide funding for highways agency to create littler cleaning patrols etc. .. but knowing how government works the extra revenue would probably go towards funding propogander towards human created climate change - illegal vehicles/drivers/tachos
- poor understanding and use of our roads - which does lead to some avoidable accidents
- foreign (mostly Eastern European) truckers turning areas in massive truck parks, surrounded by st, litter and discarded piss bottles (to name just some of the detritus) and causing nuisance to local traffic while they wait for return loads
AJI said:
in the name of fairness... if a UK truck was going to pick up some goods in say France and it had to use the highways it would have to pay tolls, making it more expensive for you to buy.
Sod fairnessI want to have evey unfair advantage over other countries we can get
All this idea is doing is to make the UK less competative
Guam said:
Hang on even if I was driving into Switzerland and not transiting, for a few days, I have to pay a years road tax so wheres the difference when transitting <90 Euros IIRC>?
Why should we not apply the same rules to Other EU members that we are faced with?
I would go further I would have Tourists have to pay road fund, for their period here, as with the toll systems in other EU countries.
Cheers
Switzerland isn't in the EU.Why should we not apply the same rules to Other EU members that we are faced with?
I would go further I would have Tourists have to pay road fund, for their period here, as with the toll systems in other EU countries.
Cheers
thinfourth2 said:
Its because of EU rules we can't treat foreign lorries differently
why not have them just buy 6mths road tax at the ports, and the appy for 5mths refund from the DVLA through the postal system when they get back home, and update the ANPR system to actually be able to read number plates from europe.. being as we are IN europe afterall ffsSystemParanoia said:
thinfourth2 said:
Its because of EU rules we can't treat foreign lorries differently
why not have them just buy 6mths road tax at the ports, and the appy for 5mths refund from the DVLA through the postal system when they get back home, and update the ANPR system to actually be able to read number plates from europe.. being as we are IN europe afterall ffs
Shirley the bureaucracy of all pay UK claim it back, is a "legal" workaround EU legislation of everyone treated as equal. One assumes the claim it back system would be in the form of a rebate on the RFL you've already paid, or I'm surprised it just isnt another offset against other business taxes on your tax return? Sounds like the kind of thing our continental cousins would do, although they are less likely to have scruples we have about the application of laws equally and fairly.
Northern Munkee said:
Shirley the bureaucracy of all pay UK claim it back, is a "legal" workaround EU legislation of everyone treated as equal. One assumes the claim it back system would be in the form of a rebate on the RFL you've already paid, or I'm surprised it just isnt another offset against other business taxes on your tax return? Sounds like the kind of thing our continental cousins would do, although they are less likely to have scruples we have about the application of laws equally and fairly.
Quite, £10 a day, upto £3650 a year, what's the RFD on an Artic? Make RFD £0 and charge for days on the road (I doubt an Artic is on the road every day of the year anyway.Though it does sound like road pricing by stealth, drivers beware.
thinfourth2 said:
SystemParanoia said:
thinfourth2 said:
Its because of EU rules we can't treat foreign lorries differently
why not have them just buy 6mths road tax at the ports, and the appy for 5mths refund from the DVLA through the postal system when they get back home, and update the ANPR system to actually be able to read number plates from europe.. being as we are IN europe afterall ffs
Charging our own trucks is bulls
t though, what's the betting it'll cost more than £10 a day to collect & refund?thinfourth2 said:
AJI said:
in the name of fairness... if a UK truck was going to pick up some goods in say France and it had to use the highways it would have to pay tolls, making it more expensive for you to buy.
Sod fairnessI want to have evey unfair advantage over other countries we can get
All this idea is doing is to make the UK less competative
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