Should reporting like this be illegal?
Should reporting like this be illegal?
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AyBee

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11,348 posts

233 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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Just saw the headline "RBS bankers arrested in HMRC tax probe" and thought I'd take a closer look to see what the naughty bankers (tongue out) had been doing this time.

Turns out the article has absolutely no connection with RBS or the fact that they're bankers at all and is merely related to their own financial affairs, they just happen to be bankers and work/used to work for RBS. It just seems to be muddying the industry and trying to provoke more bad press for RBS, purely because it's been partly nationalised, for absolutely no reason, if they'd been ordinary accountants working for a local "insert name here" firm, it wouldn't even have been news worthy mad

So, should reporting headlines like this be illegal?

Article here

jaybirduk

1,867 posts

198 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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I have no problem with it

TwigtheWonderkid

49,231 posts

181 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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I remember a headline a few years back.. "Lenny Henry Drug Dealing Stabbing Horror" or something similar. The story was Lenny Henry went to a nightclub, had a nice evening, left at about 11pm, and at about 2am, when Lenny was tucked up in bed, a drug dealer got stabbed in the same club.

It really isn't good enough. The PCC should have the ability to put a stop to this nonsense.

BarnatosGhost

34,510 posts

284 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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Looks ok to me. If they were grocers it would still be ok.

Eric Mc

125,861 posts

296 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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They may have used their banking and financial knowledge to perpetrate aspects of the fraud.

AJS-

15,366 posts

267 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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No, it shouldn't be illegal.

It's up to people to see through the chicanery of the press, and legislation or other means of governing them only lends credibility to the press we have and makes people less critical. The BBC's laughable claim to impartiality in it's charter is an example of this. If the article appeared in Socialist Worker you wouldn't even bat an eyelid.

carmonk

7,910 posts

218 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
I remember a headline a few years back.. "Lenny Henry Drug Dealing Stabbing Horror" or something similar. The story was Lenny Henry went to a nightclub, had a nice evening, left at about 11pm, and at about 2am, when Lenny was tucked up in bed, a drug dealer got stabbed in the same club.
Yeah, but he's just thankful to get his face in the papers these days wink

AyBee

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233 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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AJS- said:
No, it shouldn't be illegal.

It's up to people to see through the chicanery of the press, and legislation or other means of governing them only lends credibility to the press we have and makes people less critical. The BBC's laughable claim to impartiality in it's charter is an example of this. If the article appeared in Socialist Worker you wouldn't even bat an eyelid.
But some people don't, the whole reason I clicked on the article was because of the title was because of it; some people would have seen the title and taken it at word value and it doesn't help anything...

TwigtheWonderkid

49,231 posts

181 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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AJS- said:
No, it shouldn't be illegal.

It's up to people to see through the chicanery of the press, and legislation or other means of governing them only lends credibility to the press we have and makes people less critical. The BBC's laughable claim to impartiality in it's charter is an example of this. If the article appeared in Socialist Worker you wouldn't even bat an eyelid.
Headline:

AJS IN PAEDOPHILE RING SHOCK

(Then a long story about how you sat next to someone on the bus who ran a paedophile ring)

Meanwhile, people are spitting at you in the street.

BarnatosGhost

34,510 posts

284 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Headline:

AJS IN PAEDOPHILE RING SHOCK

(Then a long story about how you sat next to someone on the bus who ran a paedophile ring)

Meanwhile, people are spitting at you in the street.
Not the same at all. It isn't unreasonable to expect bankers (or anyone else) to have their own tax affairs in order. If these guys have been rooking the revenue, they've shown themselves unworthy of a job as a banker, and brought their employers into disrepute, by association.

If there's anything in the allegations, RBS should sack them, for the above reason.

Jasandjules

72,680 posts

260 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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BarnatosGhost said:
Not the same at all. It isn't unreasonable to expect bankers (or anyone else) to have their own tax affairs in order. If these guys have been rooking the revenue, they've shown themselves unworthy of a job as a banker, and brought their employers into disrepute, by association.
Should be a lot more about MPs and Lords thieving then......

BarnatosGhost

34,510 posts

284 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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Jasandjules said:
BarnatosGhost said:
Not the same at all. It isn't unreasonable to expect bankers (or anyone else) to have their own tax affairs in order. If these guys have been rooking the revenue, they've shown themselves unworthy of a job as a banker, and brought their employers into disrepute, by association.
Should be a lot more about MPs and Lords thieving then......
Quite.

AyBee

Original Poster:

11,348 posts

233 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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BarnatosGhost said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Headline:

AJS IN PAEDOPHILE RING SHOCK

(Then a long story about how you sat next to someone on the bus who ran a paedophile ring)

Meanwhile, people are spitting at you in the street.
Not the same at all. It isn't unreasonable to expect bankers (or anyone else) to have their own tax affairs in order. If these guys have been rooking the revenue, they've shown themselves unworthy of a job as a banker, and brought their employers into disrepute, by association.

If there's anything in the allegations, RBS should sack them, for the above reason.
Their link to RBS and their background as bankers has nothing to do with the story though, it's not unreasonable, no, but it's also not solely RBS bankers that don't have their tax affairs in order, why are there no stories about random farmers in Devon who don't have their tax affairs in order...oh, because it wouldn't create a headline worthy of news! RBS have no link to this story, only by virtue of them working for them, and they aren't to know about the tax affairs of their own bankers.

BarnatosGhost

34,510 posts

284 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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AyBee said:
BarnatosGhost said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Headline:

AJS IN PAEDOPHILE RING SHOCK

(Then a long story about how you sat next to someone on the bus who ran a paedophile ring)

Meanwhile, people are spitting at you in the street.
Not the same at all. It isn't unreasonable to expect bankers (or anyone else) to have their own tax affairs in order. If these guys have been rooking the revenue, they've shown themselves unworthy of a job as a banker, and brought their employers into disrepute, by association.

If there's anything in the allegations, RBS should sack them, for the above reason.
Their link to RBS and their background as bankers has nothing to do with the story though, it's not unreasonable, no, but it's also not solely RBS bankers that don't have their tax affairs in order, why are there no stories about random farmers in Devon who don't have their tax affairs in order...oh, because it wouldn't create a headline worthy of news! RBS have no link to this story, only by virtue of them working for them, and they aren't to know about the tax affairs of their own bankers.
An effective press sniffs out wrongdoing and holds it aloft.

That we the reading public will be more interested in reading about bent bankers than bent farmers isn't the fault of the press.

Nor is it their task to right that imbalance.

All public businesses for whom this might be a problem will try to ensure that wherever possible their employees conduct themselves properly, and the fear of publicity will help keep individuals and institutions in check.

This isn't RBS's fault, except they saw fit to employ people who saw fit to commit tax fraud (if they did). So, it isn't a problem for the press to tell us about it.

Now RBS has to be seen to be correcting any perception that they employ bent people. Sad, but if you're in the business of trust and trustworthiness, and you accidentally employ some bent people, this can happen.

AJS-

15,366 posts

267 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
AJS- said:
No, it shouldn't be illegal.

It's up to people to see through the chicanery of the press, and legislation or other means of governing them only lends credibility to the press we have and makes people less critical. The BBC's laughable claim to impartiality in it's charter is an example of this. If the article appeared in Socialist Worker you wouldn't even bat an eyelid.
Headline:

AJS IN PAEDOPHILE RING SHOCK

(Then a long story about how you sat next to someone on the bus who ran a paedophile ring)

Meanwhile, people are spitting at you in the street.
I would think that would be libelous? And it is different to name someone as an individual. I haven't yet heard of bankers in general being spat at in the street, however hard the BBC and Daily Mirror might want that. To say that they were bankers who were arrested for tax fraud is factual, although the headline does imply that it was as part of their banking business.

Again though, that is exactly why I would like less regulation. The BBC has this weird hold on many people who think it's impartial and honest, because it's a state broadcaster governed by a charter. To me it's a far left news organisation with it's own agenda on any given issue. Reading stories like the one linked above in that light makes them pretty impotent.

Their power comes from the belief of the gullible that they are an impartial news source.