Our MP's cover themselves in glory again.....
Our MP's cover themselves in glory again.....
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Mojocvh

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16,837 posts

293 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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thinfourth2

32,414 posts

235 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Where MPs live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Where the rest of us live



Randy Winkman

22,754 posts

220 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Excuse me if I'm being really thick - but what is the suggested alternative to throwing the fish back?

Globs

13,847 posts

262 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Randy Winkman said:
Excuse me if I'm being really thick - but what is the suggested alternative to throwing the fish back?
Leaving the EU?
I bet the Spanish haven't ever thrown a single fish back.

Jasandjules

72,681 posts

260 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Randy Winkman said:
Excuse me if I'm being really thick - but what is the suggested alternative to throwing the fish back?
Keeping them and selling them?

Such a waste otherwise is it not?

TimJMS

2,584 posts

282 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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It's all very well, but where oh where is the oil going to come from in several million years if discarding is ended?

Globs

13,847 posts

262 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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TimJMS said:
It's all very well, but where oh where is the oil going to come from in several million years if discarding is ended?
What oil?

TimJMS

2,584 posts

282 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Globs said:
TimJMS said:
It's all very well, but where oh where is the oil going to come from in several million years if discarding is ended?
What oil?
North Sea oil.

Mark34bn

827 posts

208 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Randy Winkman said:
Excuse me if I'm being really thick - but what is the suggested alternative to throwing the fish back?
Landing the fish and selling them? All the fishermen on Hugh's programme said the sea is rammed with Cod, the numbers are not dwindling as many say. The fish are dead when they're thrown back so it's a complete waste.
Keep the fish & go to sea less times per season.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

286 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Mark34bn said:
Landing the fish and selling them? All the fishermen on Hugh's programme said the sea is rammed with Cod, the numbers are not dwindling as many say. The fish are dead when they're thrown back so it's a complete waste.
Keep the fish & go to sea less times per season.
If the fish are dead, then at least the resources are put back into the ecosystem, feeding other fish, and so on. I don't see the issue with throwing them back, to be honest.

Mojocvh

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16,837 posts

293 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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TheHeretic said:
Mark34bn said:
Landing the fish and selling them? All the fishermen on Hugh's programme said the sea is rammed with Cod, the numbers are not dwindling as many say. The fish are dead when they're thrown back so it's a complete waste.
Keep the fish & go to sea less times per season.
If the fish are dead, then at least the resources are put back into the ecosystem, feeding other fish, and so on. I don't see the issue with throwing them back, to be honest.
Interesting, why are the fish "Dead"?

GREED. Example below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-o...




Edited by Mojocvh on Sunday 26th February 11:09

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

286 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Mojocvh said:
Interesting, why is the fish "Dead"?
Being lumped in a big container and ashoxiating? Disease? A broken heart? I don't know. You tell me.

Mojocvh

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16,837 posts

293 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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TheHeretic said:
Mojocvh said:
Interesting, why is the fish "Dead"?
Being lumped in a big container and ashoxiating? Disease? A broken heart? I don't know. You tell me.
See edit above.

harryowl

1,114 posts

212 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Mark34bn said:
Landing the fish and selling them? All the fishermen on Hugh's programme said the sea is rammed with Cod, the numbers are not dwindling as many say.
They would say that wouldn't they? rolleyes

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

286 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Mojocvh said:
See edit above.
So what does that have to do with whether they can be thrown back or not?

MX7

7,902 posts

205 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Randy Winkman said:
Excuse me if I'm being really thick - but what is the suggested alternative to throwing the fish back?
As I remember it, they HFW proposed a license for x amount of days/year, as opposed to constant fishing and then dumping the fish you've exceeded your quota on.

I didn't expect to see this.

"WWF-UK said discarding should be allowed to continue. Giles Barlett, fisheries policy officer at the group, said: "There should not be an outright ban. We would like to see plans with measurable reductions in discards and strategies to achieve this. We are saying you should still be allowed to discard fish. We don't expect edible fish to be discarded."


Du1point8

22,961 posts

223 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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TheHeretic said:
Mark34bn said:
Landing the fish and selling them? All the fishermen on Hugh's programme said the sea is rammed with Cod, the numbers are not dwindling as many say. The fish are dead when they're thrown back so it's a complete waste.
Keep the fish & go to sea less times per season.
If the fish are dead, then at least the resources are put back into the ecosystem, feeding other fish, and so on. I don't see the issue with throwing them back, to be honest.
The reasoning is flawed.

on 2008 data 52000 tonnes of fish were caught, an additional 24000 tonnes were thrown back... so for all the fish caught per year about 1/3 is thrown back which is an issue.

Or are you saying that is fine?

(can't find 2011 data but its not going to be much better)

anonymous-user

85 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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its been obvious to me now for about ten years how to solve the problem of overfishing and keep a fishing industry alive, i wrote to my MP bit never heard anything back.

1. ban sonar
2. restrict maximum size of vessels.

fewer fish would be caught, the price would go up, but this would reflect their scarcity.

obviously this needs to be done on a europe-wide basis.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

286 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Du1point8 said:
The reasoning is flawed.

on 2008 data 52000 tonnes of fish were caught, an additional 24000 tonnes were thrown back... so for all the fish caught per year about 1/3 is thrown back which is an issue.

Or are you saying that is fine?

(can't find 2011 data but its not going to be much better)
Huh? Where did I say overfishing was fine? All I am saying is that if you are going to bring excess into port, or throw it over, then throwing it over is the best option.i said nothing whatsoever about saying overfishing is OK. Stop reading into what I wrote.

Du1point8

22,961 posts

223 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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TheHeretic said:
Du1point8 said:
The reasoning is flawed.

on 2008 data 52000 tonnes of fish were caught, an additional 24000 tonnes were thrown back... so for all the fish caught per year about 1/3 is thrown back which is an issue.

Or are you saying that is fine?

(can't find 2011 data but its not going to be much better)
Huh? Where did I say overfishing was fine? All I am saying is that if you are going to bring excess into port, or throw it over, then throwing it over is the best option.i said nothing whatsoever about saying overfishing is OK. Stop reading into what I wrote.
Who said anything about over fishing? I said 1/3 of what they catch is thrown back as its too small/over quota/market too weak... most of that will be dead.