Killed Tyrant but no Justice?
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johnnybegood

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191 months

Wednesday 28th March 2012
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-1753283...

So when people in the middle east take up arm against dictators and tyrant they are called liberators of the people and are supported by the international community, when it happens in India the so called biggest democracy in the world the guys are branded terrorists and a generation of young men effectively wiped out by the the goverment.


Gogoplata

1,272 posts

191 months

Wednesday 28th March 2012
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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Bill

58,899 posts

286 months

Wednesday 28th March 2012
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Huh?

You know the victors get to decide who's a terrorist?

Anyway, I very much doubt they'll execute him and make him a martyr.

Gargamel

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292 months

Wednesday 28th March 2012
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The key difference being DICTATORSHIP and DEMOCRACY


Bill

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Wednesday 28th March 2012
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Gargamel said:
The key difference being DICTATORSHIP and DEMOCRACY
nono A "so-called democracy", where a violent minority got stamped on for trying to force a change.

johnnybegood

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Wednesday 28th March 2012
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Bill said:
nono A "so-called democracy", where a violent minority got stamped on for trying to force a change.
Well as a great man once said "When all other means fail righteous then it becomes to draw the sword" to be fair no one starts off violent.

As stated its a so called democracy which has persecuted sikhs since partition of india.

rough estimates state that between 100,000-270,000 sikhs have been killed since the 70's. No official numbers because many just disappeared with no confirmation of death.

Victor McDade

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213 months

Wednesday 28th March 2012
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He may have killed a tyrant (I don't know if he was but I'll take your word for it) but what about about the 17 others who died in this terrorist blast? Many of whom were civilians.

Also isn't the current PM from the Sikh community (as well as previous Presidents)? And what about the Army chief? If the state is discriminating against Sikhs then it appears they're not doing a very good job.

johnnybegood

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Wednesday 28th March 2012
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Victor McDade said:
He may have killed a tyrant (I don't know if he was but I'll take your word for it) but what about about the 17 others who died in this terrorist blast? Many of whom were civilians.

Also isn't the current PM from the Sikh community (as well as previous Presidents)? And what about the Army chief? If the state is discriminating against Sikhs then it appears they're not doing a very good job.
Its called politics. Manmohan Singh is a puppet.

Every one knows its the Ghandis that run India.
Which Army Cheif V K Singh he isnt a sikh.

There is a lot of history of literature of the genocide of sikhs but theres nothing official because of indian censorship even the BBC didnt run this story until people logged complaints as to why they were not. Think about it the guy is meant to get hanged on the 31st of March and the BBC an international news body is reporting it today.

They know that India is now integral to the west so didnt want to report it.

Bill

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Wednesday 28th March 2012
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To the Sikh separatist movement I'm sure he's a hero, but on the world stage he's just a terrorist who's been on death row for years.

johnnybegood

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Wednesday 28th March 2012
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Bill said:
To the Sikh separatist movement I'm sure he's a hero, but on the world stage he's just a terrorist who's been on death row for years.
That is why the matter needed to be reported on so people can google what is going on. How many people had heard of Kony before the whole video thing?

With regards to the 17 that died they were special commandos and police officers I dont think any civilians actually died.

Another point I'd like to make is the guy was actually a police officer so it just shows that he did not agree with what his employers were ordering him and other police officers to do. Which was round up young men with turbans and kill them for being sikhs and asking for basic rights afforded to the citizens of the country.

Bill

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Wednesday 28th March 2012
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Interesting you mention Google, because aside from the riots after Indira Ghandi was murdered by her Sikh bodyguards and the 84-95 separatist fight I can find no mention of Sikh persecution. Even on sites like Amnesty International.

johnnybegood

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Wednesday 28th March 2012
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Indra Ghandi declared a state of emergency many times in the 70's with around 40,000 sikhs arrested and detained without trial.

Media censorship again. Many of these guys are still in jail or either dead.

If you look at where india was divided it was right through the punjab. Who occupied the Punjab at the time mainly the sikhs occupied this area why was this done?



Bill

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Wednesday 28th March 2012
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So where does the 100-260,000 you claimed earlier come from? And during partition similar numbers of muslims were displaced the other way, so with them and the Hindu population you need to back up your claim of a Sikh majority because what I've found suggests it's not the case.

FWIW I think both sides have been pretty brutal at various stages but claiming an ongoing international media conspiracy doesn't help me take you seriously.