Duty-free fuel for Kent.
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y2blade

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56,322 posts

246 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/...

Fuel prices in Dover could soon be slashed by up to 30 per cent if Kent County Council has its way. It’s looking for permission from the Government to cut fuel duty at the port to encourage foreign truckers to buy fuel.

Fuel tax is just 36.76p per litre in France, and 28p per litre in Luxembourg, compared to 57.95p per litre here. So foreign truckers fill up on diesel before entering Britain and, thanks to the enormous fuel tanks of HGVs, can travel all across the country without needing to refill until they’re back on the Continent.

“They don’t contribute a penny to Britain but are a burden on our roads,” council leader Paul Carter told us. “You’ve got to bring the duty down to a competitive level with France and Luxembourg.”

The move could see fuel at Dover being sold for as much as 30p per litre less than in the rest of the UK. And British truckers and private motorists crossing the Channel would benefit from the lower prices, too.

Kent County Council has already notified the Department for Transport of its idea and is putting together a proposal for roads minister Mike Penning. “The idea would be a fuel station within the customs zone,” said Carter. “We think it’s doable. And even with a lower rate of duty, it would produce around £500m worth of Treasury revenue that goes to France or Luxembourg. It’s a win-win situation.”

The council’s plan was the only silver lining for a crisis-hit fuel industry last week. As we went to press, the threat of an oil tanker drivers’ strike was looming after Unite union members voted overwhelmingly in favour of action.

Unite represents the major fuel distribution companies in the UK, which supply 90 per cent of the nation’s forecourts. And there were queues at petrol stations last week after Government advice to motorists to stockpile fuel sparked panic buying.

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nelly1

5,666 posts

262 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Bob Hope<--------------------------------------------->This idea<------------------------->No hope.

loafer123

16,763 posts

246 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Sounds fairly sensible to me - it's a bit like a duty free shop...

hornetrider

63,161 posts

236 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Norfolk and chance.

roachcoach

3,975 posts

186 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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hornetrider said:
Norfolk and chance.
This.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

235 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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loafer123 said:
Sounds fairly sensible to me - it's a bit like a duty free shop...
Which is why it will never happen

oyster

13,795 posts

279 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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hornetrider said:
Norfolk and chance.
What makes you think the Treasury would turn their noses up at £500m extra tax revenue each year?

roachcoach

3,975 posts

186 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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oyster said:
hornetrider said:
Norfolk and chance.
What makes you think the Treasury would turn their noses up at £500m extra tax revenue each year?
Amongst other things, the hassle they had with the EU making an allowance for the Isles up north to have different duty rates.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

236 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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oyster said:
hornetrider said:
Norfolk and chance.
What makes you think the Treasury would turn their noses up at £500m extra tax revenue each year?
Too complicated to introduce, you could generate massive traffic problems with fuel 'commuters' coming to fill up. There could be an imbalance in the local economy, food prices, house prices even. Could create a nightmare.

Haggleburyfinius

6,703 posts

217 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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hornetrider said:
oyster said:
hornetrider said:
Norfolk and chance.
What makes you think the Treasury would turn their noses up at £500m extra tax revenue each year?
Too complicated to introduce, you could generate massive traffic problems with fuel 'commuters' coming to fill up. There could be an imbalance in the local economy, food prices, house prices even. Could create a nightmare.
You'd need a pretty big tank to go through the hassle of ferrying to France and back to save 30ppl, surely?

Puggit

49,832 posts

279 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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hornetrider said:
oyster said:
hornetrider said:
Norfolk and chance.
What makes you think the Treasury would turn their noses up at £500m extra tax revenue each year?
Too complicated to introduce, you could generate massive traffic problems with fuel 'commuters' coming to fill up. There could be an imbalance in the local economy, food prices, house prices even. Could create a nightmare.
If it's in the customs zone, they wouldn't be able to fill up.

Mind you, if it's in the customs zone, there wouldn't be space for the queue as people came off the boats...

hornetrider

63,161 posts

236 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Haggleburyfinius said:
hornetrider said:
oyster said:
hornetrider said:
Norfolk and chance.
What makes you think the Treasury would turn their noses up at £500m extra tax revenue each year?
Too complicated to introduce, you could generate massive traffic problems with fuel 'commuters' coming to fill up. There could be an imbalance in the local economy, food prices, house prices even. Could create a nightmare.
You'd need a pretty big tank to go through the hassle of ferrying to France and back to save 30ppl, surely?
hehe

I missed the quote "customs zone".

getmecoat

Can you imagine the queues off the ferry though!

Odie

4,187 posts

213 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Just charge them import duty, the tax and the fuel duty on any fuel they are carrying when they enter the country...

martin84

5,366 posts

184 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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They could avoid all of the complications by cutting fuel tax generally. France manages with 37p tax instead of our - soon to be - 61p. Germany taxes diesel far far lower than we do and even car hating Netherlands has cheaper diesel than here.

All this does is prove my point the UK relies too heavily on fuel tax to pay its bills and needs to ween itself off fuel duty.

superlightr

12,920 posts

294 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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so france could also do the same and make their boarder price slightly less then UK border price -

MX7

7,902 posts

205 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Under EU rules I don't think that you can tax different regions different rates for the same services unless it's a special case like the Isles of Scilly, in which case they can give approval. I can't imagine them doing the same for Dover.

martin84

5,366 posts

184 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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There'll be calls to leave the EU every time we cant do what we want but the rules do make a certain amount of sense. Used properly these rules could equalise fuel costs across Europe yet we tax our diesel at twice what Holland and Germany do, and tax our petrol higher than France so the rule isn't working. We need to bring our fuel tax down in line with everybody else so as we never need to make a 'special case.'

If you need to make an exemption for certain parts of the country then that proves the fuel tax is too high.

Andrew[MG]

3,360 posts

229 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Odie said:
Just charge them import duty, the tax and the fuel duty on any fuel they are carrying when they enter the country...
Would this not just push up the prices of all the goods they are delivering?

BoRED S2upid

21,130 posts

271 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Never in a million years is this going to happen in the UK. Any other EU counrty maybe but not here.

MX7

7,902 posts

205 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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martin84 said:
There'll be calls to leave the EU every time we cant do what we want but the rules do make a certain amount of sense. Used properly these rules could equalise fuel costs across Europe yet we tax our diesel at twice what Holland and Germany do, and tax our petrol higher than France so the rule isn't working. We need to bring our fuel tax down in line with everybody else so as we never need to make a 'special case.'

If you need to make an exemption for certain parts of the country then that proves the fuel tax is too high.
EU Federal Tax?!! eek