making homemade fireworks = 2 years prison
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/92029...
Should he have been jailed for this?
I made home-madeexplosives fireworks when I was a kid that made little explosions, didn't harm anyone.
Anyone with basic household products is almost certainly storing 'ingredients for explosives'.
Should he have been jailed for this?
I made home-made
Anyone with basic household products is almost certainly storing 'ingredients for explosives'.
If he wasn't planning to harm anybody then he shouldn't have been jailed. Another failure of common sense, contrasted with the story today of a women who drove her car into an open bowling alley, whilst off her head on booze, and received...
...suspended sentence and an 18-month driving ban.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128586/Wo...
...suspended sentence and an 18-month driving ban.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128586/Wo...
He should of moved his shed over to North Korea. I believe they need his expert help now 
Chief Inspector Peter Saban, from Avon and Somerset Police, said Leonard was a "stupid man". He added that Leonard's partner had left him since his arrest.
So I wonder who informed the police then ?
Chief Inspector Peter Saban, from Avon and Somerset Police, said Leonard was a "stupid man". He added that Leonard's partner had left him since his arrest.
So I wonder who informed the police then ?
carmonk said:
If he wasn't planning to harm anybody then he shouldn't have been jailed. Another failure of common sense, contrasted with the story today of a women who drove her car into an open bowling alley, whilst off her head on booze, and received...
...suspended sentence and an 18-month driving ban.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128586/Wo...
Unbelieveably lenient sentence that, does make you wonder !?...suspended sentence and an 18-month driving ban.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128586/Wo...
My dad introduced me to home made fireworks when I was a child....he also introduced me to the hazards of chemistry.
As a chemist and not a terrorist, I reserve the right to buy chemicals and make what I want, as long as I do not:-
1. Kill anyone.
2. Cause loss to anyone.
3. Involve fraud buying the chemicals.
The police can shove their statute b
ks up their arse.
Common sense does need to prevail. A word from the cops would suffice. Are they totally mad, or are they not telling us the whole story.
As a chemist and not a terrorist, I reserve the right to buy chemicals and make what I want, as long as I do not:-
1. Kill anyone.
2. Cause loss to anyone.
3. Involve fraud buying the chemicals.
The police can shove their statute b
ks up their arse. Common sense does need to prevail. A word from the cops would suffice. Are they totally mad, or are they not telling us the whole story.
2 years, for not actually hurting anyone ? for just being a bit daft and keeping some stuff that might explode and could hurt some people if any happened to be around at the time.
What the fking fk am i going to hear/read next ? Man (54 from cannock) arrested because he looked at knives in the Argos catalogue ? woman (32 of romford) imprisoned because she looked a bit cross ?
I said a while ago in another of these piss boiling state-of-the-nation type posts that crop up with alarming regularity that we ought to just put a fence around the British isles and call ourselves a prison, we would all be felons, that is what the state seems to want and to be honest it might be easier.
What the f
king fk am i going to hear/read next ? Man (54 from cannock) arrested because he looked at knives in the Argos catalogue ? woman (32 of romford) imprisoned because she looked a bit cross ? I said a while ago in another of these piss boiling state-of-the-nation type posts that crop up with alarming regularity that we ought to just put a fence around the British isles and call ourselves a prison, we would all be felons, that is what the state seems to want and to be honest it might be easier.
I would like them to man up and add what "dangerous chemicals" he was using/storing. I am assuming he means Acetone Peroxide as "the shoe bomber explosive". Let's not just say "Acetone Peroxide" as that's just a chemical name, let's associate him with Bin Laden's lot.
I'd like to have heard what a chemist would have to say. Fire/police people are not chemists or explosives experts and consider most "stuff" to be an awful dangerous hazard that should be banned.
Acetone Peroxide is exceedingly unstable and if you go about the synthesis right, you can have something which won't spontaneously explode, it is still exceedingly dangerous stuff. So, am I right in thinking he had an "experimental" amount, or was this enough to take half the hillside out?
Unlawful purposes? So, killing people, causing loss to people, or are they confusing it with "illegal" which is a totally different animal.
I find it hard to believe that they have come down so hard on someone in the middle of nowhere doing stuff many many many people do on youtube.
They really should have got some experts in to really consider this fairly, rather than the fanny of nanny state.
I'd like to have heard what a chemist would have to say. Fire/police people are not chemists or explosives experts and consider most "stuff" to be an awful dangerous hazard that should be banned.
Acetone Peroxide is exceedingly unstable and if you go about the synthesis right, you can have something which won't spontaneously explode, it is still exceedingly dangerous stuff. So, am I right in thinking he had an "experimental" amount, or was this enough to take half the hillside out?
Unlawful purposes? So, killing people, causing loss to people, or are they confusing it with "illegal" which is a totally different animal.
I find it hard to believe that they have come down so hard on someone in the middle of nowhere doing stuff many many many people do on youtube.
They really should have got some experts in to really consider this fairly, rather than the fanny of nanny state.
This guy is said to have been making "high explosive" which is far beyond any domestic stirring of chemicals to see if you can make a firework.
"High explosive" is a compound which isn't just burning very quickly and emitting a lot of gas (like gunpowder) but is sufficiently unstable that the shock of part of the explosive being set off causes an immediate chain reaction where the whole lot goes up at once with immense pressure and force. You know, the kind of thing where if it goes wrong it won't just demolish your shed but might take out a few neighbouring houses as well.
"High explosive" is a compound which isn't just burning very quickly and emitting a lot of gas (like gunpowder) but is sufficiently unstable that the shock of part of the explosive being set off causes an immediate chain reaction where the whole lot goes up at once with immense pressure and force. You know, the kind of thing where if it goes wrong it won't just demolish your shed but might take out a few neighbouring houses as well.
i'm a chemist and i wouldn't make acetone peroxide. nobody who knows what they are doing would really try to prepare any in any great quantity.
I think this is a real shame, this guy is just doing his hobby, perhaps puts a few people in a small amount of danger (we can't tell from the article because there are not enough facts), seems to be doing it in a fairly responsible way, and ends up in prison. no wonder chemistry has such a bad public image - or is this perhaps a result of 'chemophobia'
the interesting quote it this one:
I think this is a real shame, this guy is just doing his hobby, perhaps puts a few people in a small amount of danger (we can't tell from the article because there are not enough facts), seems to be doing it in a fairly responsible way, and ends up in prison. no wonder chemistry has such a bad public image - or is this perhaps a result of 'chemophobia'
the interesting quote it this one:
said:
Chief Inspector Peter Saban, from Avon and Somerset Police, said Leonard was a "stupid man".
"He is not a domestic terrorist. This is a man simply in his back yard combining chemicals to create explosives," he said.
"Nevertheless it is a really dangerous thing to do, and not a reasonable thing to do. If there is a message to get across to anyone thinking of doing this, it is 'you are playing with fire."
it's an attempt to make chemistry a special class of knowledge that can only be investigated or excercised by specially anointed priests (chemists). I don't think it's a good idea to make areas of knowledge and expertise unavailable to the general public in this way. This is something that 50 years ago would never have been criminal. It's just an eccentric hobby. "He is not a domestic terrorist. This is a man simply in his back yard combining chemicals to create explosives," he said.
"Nevertheless it is a really dangerous thing to do, and not a reasonable thing to do. If there is a message to get across to anyone thinking of doing this, it is 'you are playing with fire."
Edited by Use Psychology on Friday 13th April 18:32
Edited by Use Psychology on Friday 13th April 18:33
Ozzie Osmond said:
This guy is said to have been making "high explosive" which is far beyond any domestic stirring of chemicals to see if you can make a firework.
"High explosive" is a compound which isn't just burning very quickly and emitting a lot of gas (like gunpowder) but is sufficiently unstable that the shock of part of the explosive being set off causes an immediate chain reaction where the whole lot goes up at once with immense pressure and force. You know, the kind of thing where if it goes wrong it won't just demolish your shed but might take out a few neighbouring houses as well.
high explosives aren't neccesarily unstable though, indeed a good one isn't, you want a big bang when you want to make it go pop but you want it to sit there like rocks until you want that bang. "High explosive" is a compound which isn't just burning very quickly and emitting a lot of gas (like gunpowder) but is sufficiently unstable that the shock of part of the explosive being set off causes an immediate chain reaction where the whole lot goes up at once with immense pressure and force. You know, the kind of thing where if it goes wrong it won't just demolish your shed but might take out a few neighbouring houses as well.
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