What did Cameron promise and what has he delivered?
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I get the distinct feeling that most on PH have very little time for DC.
Truth betold, I have had very little time to follow politics since my wife got pregnant and the twins were born.
Can someone remind me / summarise what promises he made to the electorate and whether he kept them or not?
I want to know whether to vote Tory next time round or not (I suspect not).
Truth betold, I have had very little time to follow politics since my wife got pregnant and the twins were born.
Can someone remind me / summarise what promises he made to the electorate and whether he kept them or not?
I want to know whether to vote Tory next time round or not (I suspect not).
The promises were made on the UK having a conservative government. We do not have a conservative government, we have a conservative/libdem coalition.
When the coalition was formed, a document was created that listed the policies from each party's original manifestos that the coalition would take forward. It's this document you need to judge the current government on.
More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_%E2%80%9...
When the coalition was formed, a document was created that listed the policies from each party's original manifestos that the coalition would take forward. It's this document you need to judge the current government on.
More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_%E2%80%9...
Cleaning up politics, no more adversarial debates, getting the economy back on track, reducing debt, fairer society. You get the general idea. No different to any other PM, they can promise all they like, they never deliver, often for reasons beyond their control but the fact is that 99% of what they spout is rubbish. True to say that the compromises forced by being in a coalition have had an effect, but do people really believe that we'd be in a different place if CMD had won the election outright?
It'll take a long time to fix Labour's mess, just as it did from 1979 to 1997. By 1997 the economy was very healthy, but from that sad day when Labour got in, Bliar and Brown started their plundering and by the time they finally let go a couple of years ago, we were in a mess. We need the Conservatives to have a few terms in office to fix things, if we keep switching back and forth between Conservative and Labour as we did in the 60s and 70s, things will only get worse.
Apart from his spat with Europe, I think he/they have done little in improving our lives. I did not vote for a coalition. I think the electorate were cheated tbh. They should have had another election. Can you imagine how bad it would be if we adopted voting reform, christ nothing would ever get done without backdoor deals and watering down policies. I think Cameron is totally lacklustre as a leader, many of the deeply held Conservative beliefs have gone out the window. Saying that though Labour are just as useless. Everyone occupies the centre ground and for politics and the voter is a bad deal. The Liberals are finished as a party, maybe UKIP will be an alternative. Politics needs passion sadly lacking in our country at the moment.
king up the police.Maybe we should remember what Blair/Brown done . I can't think of many EU governments that don't have a serious deficit, besides obviously oil rich countries .
Personally I think George and Cameron are inept muppets and if you think the promises they made are not being implemented because of the "COALITION" then you have some serious issues
Personally I think George and Cameron are inept muppets and if you think the promises they made are not being implemented because of the "COALITION" then you have some serious issues
deltaevo16 said:
Apart from his spat with Europe, I think he/they have done little in improving our lives. I did not vote for a coalition. I think the electorate were cheated tbh. They should have had another election. Can you imagine how bad it would be if we adopted voting reform, christ nothing would ever get done without backdoor deals and watering down policies. I think Cameron is totally lacklustre as a leader, many of the deeply held Conservative beliefs have gone out the window. Saying that though Labour are just as useless. Everyone occupies the centre ground and for politics and the voter is a bad deal. The Liberals are finished as a party, maybe UKIP will be an alternative. Politics needs passion sadly lacking in our country at the moment.
Agreed 100% UKIP do seem to be a good alternative. On another thread a kind chap published their party manifesto. I do apologise for forgetting their name. Dementia coming on I fear!!
deltaevo16 said:
thinfourth2 said:
You act like it would be a bad thing
Thats because it would be mayhem, imagine the greens let loose in parliament, you could kiss your car goodbye!!frosted said:
Maybe we should remember what Blair/Brown done .
clearly not done much edoocashunin 1997 when the last conservatives were voted out we had a lare annual surplus in the government- we were paying off debt a nice old rate. had we continued in that vein, NOW, we would have hundreds of billions of "spare" cash lying around, in access to markets, savings, efficient government we could now rely on. There would be NO austerity program. Instead we could masively increase government spending.
From 1997 until 2007 when the times were very very good- ie the governemtn received the largest amounts of revenue in its history. instead of being sensible and saving money for a rainy day, cutting civil service and promoting growth, what the brown/blair gubmment actually did was spend every penny it received, and then a shed load more- in fact every penny it could borrow. Then they sold our gold reserves at one of the lowest historic prices- as opposed to buying (which would have been the sensible thing to do).
What blair and brown did, was guarantee a lifetime of unending poverty and hardship for a good % of the population- they guaranteed boom and bust.
They could not have made our lives any harded had they tried.
frosted said:
I can't think of many EU governments that don't have a serious deficit, besides obviously oil rich countries .
Lke Norway, who produce just over 25% more oil than we do? how come they have so much more money than us?frosted said:
Personally I think George and Cameron are inept muppets and if you think the promises they made are not being implemented because of the "COALITION" then you have some serious issues
You seem to fundamentally misunderstand whats going on here. The changes they need to make to the civil service need to be voted in through parliament- but they don't have a conservative majority to pass these- the lib dems need to support the changes. which they won't because they are ideaologically against reducing government spending! look here for a list of government spending v gdp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_spending
You will see that those countries that are doing well- norway, USA, etc etc have significantly lower gov spendingh than we do- USA has just 38% of GDP- we are up to 48% this year- that 10% is worth some £200billion- enough to pay off total government debt in 5 years and then save us billions per year in debt repayments.
Guybrush said:
It'll take a long time to fix Labour's mess,
Which is exactly what Labour said about the Tories last time they got into power and what they will say next time they get into power. Seems to me if anyone gets into power you have a couple of years of blaming the mess on the last party then you have to think up other excuses. Tories seem to have a hundred and one excuses at the moment.
Legend83 said:
Can someone remind me / summarise what promises he made to the electorate and whether he kept them or not?
I want to know whether to vote Tory next time round or not (I suspect not).
The academy schools reforms were promised and have been delivered.I want to know whether to vote Tory next time round or not (I suspect not).
They promised welfare reform as well and they have delivered some modest progress so far.
They also said they would tackle the deficit and again have made modest progress.
Given the constraints of coalition what has actually been delivered has not been too bad.
colonel c said:
Only if the Greens had enough support nationwide. Otherwise they would only be able to nudge legislation in their general direction. Much like they do now. No bad thing really. New cars are byenlarge better for it.
From little acorns etc, look at the German green party, its not just about the Greens though is it ? Voter reform only suits minority parties, and we could be talking BNP or any other fringe party. These do not represent the majority, but are then given enough power to stop/block/upset/ current legislation, you only have to look at the Liberals tinkering to get an idea of what I meanBoRED S2upid said:
Seems to me if anyone gets into power you have a couple of years of blaming the mess on the last party then you have to think up other excuses. Tories seem to have a hundred and one excuses at the moment.
Given that we are only at the half way point of a Japanese style 'lost decade' I think they have a while yet of blaming the previous government.Perhaps it is worth reiterating that this is the worse crises in the economy for the last hundred years, even worse than the 'great' depression, which actually didn't hit the UK too badly.
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