'Compelling' case for road charging
Discussion
Anyone else seen or heard this snippet from the BBC this morning?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18064363
Apparently, newer and more fuel efficient cars are having an impact on the amount of fuel duty being taken by the government.
At least modern cars are saving the environment.
Who would have thought this would happen eh?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18064363
Apparently, newer and more fuel efficient cars are having an impact on the amount of fuel duty being taken by the government.
At least modern cars are saving the environment.
Who would have thought this would happen eh?
We live in a stupid country.
Why don't we scrap VED completely put a few pence on the price of fuel and then it's fair?
Granny who drives here 1.0 Micra to the shops once a week pays very little, the bloke in his supercharged Range Rover who does 25,000 miles a year pays more and his fair share.
Obviously this method is sensible and makes sense and doesn't throw extra 'envy' tax at those who can afford a nice motor.
It'll never happen but I suppose it's a nice thought.
Why don't we scrap VED completely put a few pence on the price of fuel and then it's fair?
Granny who drives here 1.0 Micra to the shops once a week pays very little, the bloke in his supercharged Range Rover who does 25,000 miles a year pays more and his fair share.
Obviously this method is sensible and makes sense and doesn't throw extra 'envy' tax at those who can afford a nice motor.
It'll never happen but I suppose it's a nice thought.
DiseasalDriver said:
Do away with fuel duty and road tax and implement road charging?
Sounds like a good idea to me. Pay for what you use.
Surely implementing road charging would be a very expensive implementation to create a pay per mile driving, also it would never be accepted as a policy.Sounds like a good idea to me. Pay for what you use.
Why not just do it on fuel duty? That way you have created a banding similar to VED on emissions (efficiency) and then your per mile basis.
DiseasalDriver said:
Do away with fuel duty and road tax and implement road charging?
Sounds like a good idea to me. Pay for what you use.
No, I would not implement road charging and do away with road tax.Sounds like a good idea to me. Pay for what you use.
I would add a few pence to the cost of fuel, then if you drive a large engined car large distances you pay more. If you drive your little eco box a couple of miles each week you pay very little.
Guybrush said:
Scrap road tax, have it on fuel. No need for "road charging" as the infrastructure for the tax collection is already in place. That way, we all pay for what we use and no more. It's so simple. In fact it's a mystery this is not done - there must be a hidden reason...
Of course there is a reason - Those nasty people who actually do something with their lives and can afford to buy expensive cars and 4x4's can also afford to pay more VED and other taxes. They are filth at the end of the day so should be forced to pay even more. After all, why should they have a nice car when I can't?Guybrush said:
Scrap road tax, have it on fuel. No need for "road charging" as the infrastructure for the tax collection is already in place. That way, we all pay for what we use and no more. It's so simple. In fact it's a mystery this is not done - there must be a hidden reason...
Your cars seem fine to me 
My mileage is pretty low, and I don't tend to drive in town or to commute, so at a selfish level this sounded good as it would probably end up saving me money.
But:
Little black boxes?
Might these also be used to enforce, say, speed limits?
And what might the cost of the kit and infrastructure needed to monitor it be?
Unless I'm missing something.
But:
BBC said:
The IFS says a solution would be to charge drivers by the mile, with higher pricing in congested areas at peak times. Drivers in the countryside would be likely to pay less.
...
The IFS said that the current system of taxation on fuel "cannot vary according to time and location", and so is "fundamentally unable to account for" differences such as levels of congestion and demand.
"Taxes on road use, however, would be able to do so," it said.
How would this be monitored? ...
The IFS said that the current system of taxation on fuel "cannot vary according to time and location", and so is "fundamentally unable to account for" differences such as levels of congestion and demand.
"Taxes on road use, however, would be able to do so," it said.
Little black boxes?
Might these also be used to enforce, say, speed limits?
And what might the cost of the kit and infrastructure needed to monitor it be?
Unless I'm missing something.
bob1179 has hit the nail on the head, it also catches all the VED dodgers as they are now paying through their fuel, but of course it's too simple (and perceived by some business people to be anti-business and it would put people at the DoT out of work, and so it will never be done.....)
Guybrush said:
Scrap road tax, have it on fuel. No need for "road charging" as the infrastructure for the tax collection is already in place. That way, we all pay for what we use and no more. It's so simple. In fact it's a mystery this is not done - there must be a hidden reason...
Control, and tracking.And job creation for civil servants.
The Black Flash said:
DiseasalDriver said:
Do away with fuel duty and road tax and implement road charging?
Sounds like a good idea to me. Pay for what you use.
Go away and think about what you've said.Sounds like a good idea to me. Pay for what you use.
You want the government to track and record everywhere you drive, really?
Government - big computer system - badly outsourced - guess the outcome.
bob1179 said:
..Granny who drives here 1.0 Micra to the shops once a week pays very little, the bloke in his supercharged Range Rover who does 25,000 miles a year pays more and his fair share.
..because the bloke in the RangeRover puts it through his business so the increase pushes up his costs which he passes on to customers.Scuffers said:
The Black Flash said:
DiseasalDriver said:
Do away with fuel duty and road tax and implement road charging?
Sounds like a good idea to me. Pay for what you use.
Go away and think about what you've said.Sounds like a good idea to me. Pay for what you use.
You want the government to track and record everywhere you drive, really?
Government - big computer system - badly outsourced - guess the outcome.
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