Will LENR save the world?
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Andrew[MG]

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229 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Or maybe just Greece?

I have no idea if this is real but there are plenty of companies who claim to have made breakthroughs http://pesn.com/2012/05/10/9602089_LENR-to-Market_...

Do you believe or do you think it's a load of bks?

Gaspode

4,167 posts

227 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Until someone produces some research findings that are properly peer reviewed and demonstrate repeatable phenomena that can be independently observed and verified, it's all bks.

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

248 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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If it works, great . . . . . . . looking at the page linked, I'd suggest that Tony Stark is closer to getting the ark light reactor into production!

Andrew[MG]

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229 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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There are quite a few companies claiming to have working prototypes but they all look like 'one man and his shed' type outfits.

FourWheelDrift

92,393 posts

315 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Andrew[MG] said:
They seem to have invented a time machine, that website is pure 1996.

hairykrishna

14,539 posts

234 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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In short, bks.

Tycho

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304 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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FourWheelDrift said:
Andrew[MG] said:
They seem to have invented a time machine, that website is pure 1996.
biggrin

I thought geocities went bust?

Andrew[MG]

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3,360 posts

229 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2012
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The PistonHeads collective says "am oot" to LENR

Skodaku

1,805 posts

250 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2012
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Sorry, misread the header as "Will LNER save the world?"

Well, at least they had kit that worked. Along with LMS, the two finest operating companies of the era.

12gauge

1,274 posts

205 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2012
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Our future is certainly nuclear, preferably thorium. Nothing about cold fusion ive seen suggests it isn't a load of boll0cks.

Unfortunately the cavemen that make up most the libdems and some of labour have convinced the public that we're always one gust of wind or a large wave away from another Fukushima.

Eventually, once we get rolling blackouts that threaten our way of life, the public will drop their hysteria and vote in favour of nuclear, but not without messing up the quality of life for the rest of us for a few years.

Talksteer

5,832 posts

264 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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12gauge said:
Our future is certainly nuclear, preferably thorium.
Why Thorium?

Gaspode

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227 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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12gauge said:
Our future is certainly nuclear, preferably thorium. Nothing about cold fusion ive seen suggests it isn't a load of boll0cks.

Unfortunately the cavemen that make up most the libdems and some of labour have convinced the public that we're always one gust of wind or a large wave away from another Fukushima.

Eventually, once we get rolling blackouts that threaten our way of life, the public will drop their hysteria and vote in favour of nuclear, but not without messing up the quality of life for the rest of us for a few years.
Indeed, but sadly it's unlikely to be British engineers doing it. Half of our nuclear scientists are going to be retiring over the next 10 years, and our universities are too busy churning out degrees in media studies or social outreach counselling to be bothered to educate anyone to replace them.

hairykrishna

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234 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Gaspode said:
Indeed, but sadly it's unlikely to be British engineers doing it. Half of our nuclear scientists are going to be retiring over the next 10 years, and our universities are too busy churning out degrees in media studies or social outreach counselling to be bothered to educate anyone to replace them.
This simply isn't true. We run a reactor physics masters course and take up is higher than it has ever been - we've averaged >50 students a year over the past few years. 5 or so years ago, 10 was a big year. Now it's apparent that there are going to be nuclear jobs demand is massive.

Apache

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315 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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hairykrishna said:
Gaspode said:
Indeed, but sadly it's unlikely to be British engineers doing it. Half of our nuclear scientists are going to be retiring over the next 10 years, and our universities are too busy churning out degrees in media studies or social outreach counselling to be bothered to educate anyone to replace them.
This simply isn't true. We run a reactor physics masters course and take up is higher than it has ever been - we've averaged >50 students a year over the past few years. 5 or so years ago, 10 was a big year. Now it's apparent that there are going to be nuclear jobs demand is massive.
Wish I wasn't so old.....I'd diversify

Andrew[MG]

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229 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Does it not take a VERY long time to make a new nuclear plant?

eldar

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227 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Andrew[MG] said:
Does it not take a VERY long time to make a new nuclear plant?
If its an off the shelf one, like the AP1000 that is licenced, relatively quick is possible, maybe 8 years.

There is one site a couple of miles from me that is supposed to open in 2023, and they haven't done much apart from argue over mineral rights....

hairykrishna

14,539 posts

234 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Actual construction doesn't take that much time. The AP1000 was designed to take 36 months. Historically it's the licensing and planning, which the local community always fought tooth and nail, which takes ages. The new build's all going to be on existing sites which hopefully gets around all that.

Gaspode

4,167 posts

227 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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hairykrishna said:
This simply isn't true. We run a reactor physics masters course and take up is higher than it has ever been - we've averaged >50 students a year over the past few years. 5 or so years ago, 10 was a big year. Now it's apparent that there are going to be nuclear jobs demand is massive.
Jolly good, glad to see things are changing. Do you have any figures on the proportion os overseas vs UK students taking this course? I take it this is the University of Birmingham offering?

hairykrishna

14,539 posts

234 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Yes it's the one at Birmingham. I don't know the exact figures, to be honest I'm not that involved this year. Typically ~90% UK though.

FourWheelDrift

92,393 posts

315 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Our future is fusion and helium-3 space mining of the moon and then the atmosphere of our solar systems gas giants like Jupiter. How much in the future depends on how quickly fossil fuels are used up and how anti-fisson nuclear power we go. Investment and effort into the R&D of fusion reactors has to greatly increased.