Assange/Ecuadorian embassy
Discussion
Soo... it's all over the news this morning that UK is thinking of revoking the Ecuadorian embassy's diplomatic status so they can pop in an detain Assange.
What I was thinking though, is there any reason we need to go this far? Can't we just lay siege to the embassy, e.g. stop all food/water going in? Wouldn't be long before he came out at that rate would it?
What I was thinking though, is there any reason we need to go this far? Can't we just lay siege to the embassy, e.g. stop all food/water going in? Wouldn't be long before he came out at that rate would it?
edb49 said:
Soo... it's all over the news this morning that UK is thinking of revoking the Ecuadorian embassy's diplomatic status so they can pop in an detain Assange.
What I was thinking though, is there any reason we need to go this far? Can't we just lay siege to the embassy, e.g. stop all food/water going in? Wouldn't be long before he came out at that rate would it?
I think ecuador would be in their right to consider either an act of hostility/war, since the embassy is considered ecuadorian territory.What I was thinking though, is there any reason we need to go this far? Can't we just lay siege to the embassy, e.g. stop all food/water going in? Wouldn't be long before he came out at that rate would it?
As for the whole assange thing, i think the UK is only bending over backwards to get him to sweden because the US is fairly heavily involved over the wikileaks thing, considering an act of war against another nation over a sex offender who hasnt done anything very illegal in your own country is just plain idiotic.
No... I think you have to consider the whole thing. Swedish prosectors want him extradited for alleged rape. He was under a curfew, so now can be arrested in the UK. There is nothing 'political' about rape, in fact if he didn't have the Wikileaks connection then everyone would be up in arms that Ecuador was hiding an alleged rapist.
edb49 said:
No... I think you have to consider the whole thing. Swedish prosectors want him extradited for alleged rape. He was under a curfew, so now can be arrested in the UK. There is nothing 'political' about rape, in fact if he didn't have the Wikileaks connection then everyone would be up in arms that Ecuador was hiding an alleged rapist.
That's a very idealistic view of the whole thing. If he didn't have the Wikileaks connection, he almost certainly wouldn't have had these allegations against him in the first place, and even if he did the Swedish authorities wouldn't be insisting that he travel back to Sweden for questioning about the matter, which is the whole point of the debacle - to get him into Sweden from whence he can be covertly extradited to the US and indefinite jail or death.Carfolio said:
That's a very idealistic view of the whole thing. If he didn't have the Wikileaks connection, he almost certainly wouldn't have had these allegations against him in the first place, and even if he did the Swedish authorities wouldn't be insisting that he travel back to Sweden for questioning about the matter, which is the whole point of the debacle - to get him into Sweden from whence he can be covertly extradited to the US and indefinite jail or death.
It is all a bit convenient isn't it. Upset world super power, suddenly face criminal charges.Steve
Carfolio said:
That's a very idealistic view of the whole thing. If he didn't have the Wikileaks connection, he almost certainly wouldn't have had these allegations against him in the first place, and even if he did the Swedish authorities wouldn't be insisting that he travel back to Sweden for questioning about the matter, which is the whole point of the debacle - to get him into Sweden from whence he can be covertly extradited to the US and indefinite jail or death.
This, given the massive interest from the US, i wouldnt be surprised at all to find that the allegations of rape are completely fabricated. Extraditing him to sweden will have him end up in a US jail eventually, either with a life sentence, or on death-row. Then there is the matter that he is currently on ecuadorian territory, and the UK should just but out untill ecuador refuses him asilum.Threatening them with invading their embassy is just nuts.
Triumph Man said:
*Lethal Weapon 2* "It's just been revoked" */Lethal Weapon 2*
Because of that film "Diplomatic Immunity" only works for me with a South African accent 
Was interesting to see that diplomatic immunity can be "revoked" at least temporily under UK law, must check if that's true - maybe try wikipedia
Reports of "storming" the embassy seem a little excessive though.Just a thought, maybe he is guilty, why not just let the Swedes find out?
Are people saying that just because he runs Wikileaks he is given carte blanche to ignore the criminal law of both this country and Sweden?
They may all be out to get him, or then again he may be a criminal, why can't the Swedes try the evidence in court?
Are people saying that just because he runs Wikileaks he is given carte blanche to ignore the criminal law of both this country and Sweden?
They may all be out to get him, or then again he may be a criminal, why can't the Swedes try the evidence in court?
Carfolio said:
If he didn't have the Wikileaks connection, he almost certainly wouldn't have had these allegations against him in the first place
If he didn't have the wilileaks connection do you think Ecuador would have let him through the door? Do you not think this is Ecuador trying to p
s off Britain due to their (very open) allegiance with Argentina over the Falklands? Why else would Ecuador get inbetween an extradition between the UK and Sweden - they don't give a st about Assange or whether he ends up at the end of a rope in the US - Ecuador doesn't have those kind of morals.Jamie VTS said:
Whatever the outcome it probably wasnt that clever to start a campaign against the worlds biggest super power..
Perhaps we should just let rich powerful people get away with whatever they want then? I for one hope he gets out of this even if it is just long enough to release all the skeletons he must have found hiding in some seriously interesting closets, i.e. whoever/whatever it was that started this ball rolling.Ean218 said:
Just a thought, maybe he is guilty, why not just let the Swedes find out?
Are people saying that just because he runs Wikileaks he is given carte blanche to ignore the criminal law of both this country and Sweden?
They may all be out to get him, or then again he may be a criminal, why can't the Swedes try the evidence in court?
Because when he arrives in Sweden he'll be put on the first plane to the US.Are people saying that just because he runs Wikileaks he is given carte blanche to ignore the criminal law of both this country and Sweden?
They may all be out to get him, or then again he may be a criminal, why can't the Swedes try the evidence in court?
Main thread here folks
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I think it's more about what he has on governments and their respective militaries actions that has them worried. No doubt he has information on dodgy business dealings too, but I doubt that is the primary concern.
As I've said before, this is all just a preamble to getting him into the US, where they'll try their damndest to link him to Manning, slap enemy combatant status on him and well. We know what'll happen then.
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Marf said:
Ex Govt lawyer on Radio4 just now saying the UKGov is sabre rattling and wouldn't use the legislation to strip the embassy of its diplomatic status as it was not intended to be used in this type of situation.
Regardless of the morals, the Ecuadorians should they give Assange asylum would be acting totally within the bounds of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. As such if the UKGov decided to use the legislation they'd be on dodgy ground in relation to their international obligations under the Vienna treaty.
Regardless of the morals, the Ecuadorians should they give Assange asylum would be acting totally within the bounds of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. As such if the UKGov decided to use the legislation they'd be on dodgy ground in relation to their international obligations under the Vienna treaty.
Marf said:
Jasandjules said:
Marf said:
Regardless of the morals, the Ecuadorians should they give Assange asylum would be acting totally within the bounds of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. As such if the UKGov decided to use the legislation they'd be on dodgy ground in relation to their international obligations under the Vienna treaty.
Got to wonder just what he has over some rich people doesn't it? For the efforts they are going through to get him. Let's hope he gets asylum in South America where he can start more leaking of damaging information.As I've said before, this is all just a preamble to getting him into the US, where they'll try their damndest to link him to Manning, slap enemy combatant status on him and well. We know what'll happen then.
Edited by Marf on Thursday 16th August 09:14
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