So what jobs will the HS2 create?

[robinessex]

We've all read how the HS2 is going to be the savour of the economy, and creat a few billion jobs. But I've never yet seen a list of just what jobs it's going to create, and how this happens. Personaly, I think it's all government bullst. £60 billion or so invested directly into industry would be far more rewarding.

[McWigglebum4th]

It will see a HUGE increase in road haulage to get all the material there for building it

[robinessex]

I'm ignoring the benefits of building the dam think. Johnny foreigner will probably bag all that work anyway.

[stewjohnst]

Well, the current route puts everyone working at the farm I get my meat and two veg from every week out of business as there's going to be a blooody great railway on stilts ploughing through it if they ever manage to get it built as far North as Leeds...

[surveyor]

I'm unimpressed by HS2.

Looking at the route, which for Doncaster will be a lot less direct, all I can see is the journey taking the same time for even more money.

[Pwig]

You do know its about 28 billion not 60 billion dont you?

Over the course of 20 years.

Alternative is to spend the same on the existing network but including massive disruption at weekends.

I'll take HS2 anytime ta.

[DonkeyApple]

It won't.

It was a vanity project by the Labour Party to secure votes in the North and from the Unions.

The Coalition for some reason didn't tin it and have now made it their baby and haven't the balls to back out of it.

Far smarter to have built a new hub city on the Canary Wharf model to the north of London which all major cities could then link to if they wanted to and could raise the private money to do so.

That would have shifted jobs and homes out of London and allowed firms to pay less to source workers from other cities.

[powerstroke]

Pwig said:

You do know its about 28 billion not 60 billion dont you?

Over the course of 20 years.

Alternative is to spend the same on the existing network but including massive disruption at weekends.

I'll take HS2 anytime ta.

Hope you have a big tub of Vaseline .

[pad58]

robinessex said:

I'm ignoring the benefits of building the dam think. Johnny foreigner will probably bag all that work anyway.

I'm inclined to agree with this.

[Ved]

Biggest waste of money in my lifetime behind the cinema tickets for Prometheus.

[cobra kid]

I work for Pandrol so loads of work for us over the next 20 years (hopefully).

[Amateurish]

surveyor said:

I'm unimpressed by HS2.

Looking at the route, which for Doncaster will be a lot less direct, all I can see is the journey taking the same time for even more money.

It's not being built to improve journey times between London and Doncaster.

[robinessex]

Pwig said:

You do know its about 28 billion not 60 billion dont you?

Over the course of 20 years.

Alternative is to spend the same on the existing network but including massive disruption at weekends.

I'll take HS2 anytime ta.

Ok. Tell me ANY government project that's come in on time and within budget. And I mean those meeting the ORIGINAL budget, not the moving target one. (Olympics example).

[Ross1988]

Drivers
Guards
Chefs
Cleaners
Depot managers (Maintenance, shift, HR etc)
Depot cleaners
Technicians (Traction, Brake, HVAC, )
Engineers (Construction, maintenance, Surveyors, Track hand back engineers etc)
Delivery drivers and mates
People who make the parts to be delivered
People who pack the parts to be delivered
Store managers
Designers
CAD Techs
People who make the trains
People who deliver the trains
People who commission the trains
Maintenance techs
Labourers
Project managers
Project directors
Site agents
Clerk of works
Admin
Commissioning engineers
Supervisors
Superintendents
Electrical engineers
Electrical commissioners
Crane drivers
Machine drivers
COSS/Lookout/Sitewarden
Maintenance gangs
Fencing gangs
Track laying gangs
Points installation gangs
Points maintenance gangs
Joiners
Fitters
Decorators
People who make and deliver the rail.
People who make and deliver the sleepers
Cobrakid and his infernal fast clips
People who make teram
People who make ballast


This is all I can think of, but short on time. But remember it is a brand new line, new track, new stations and more importantly new demand.

You can't just go and order a million tonnes of ballast or 4000 OHLE spans and not create a job and a supply chain with it.

But I can see your point, the government has stated it will create x amount of jobs, but when all done and dusted, how many of these are permanent?

You won't need to employ someone who runs the rock crushing machine to make ballast forever.

Although the supply chain for a depot is huge.

[Dog Star]

Ved said:

Biggest waste of money in my lifetime behind the cinema tickets for Prometheus.

On a serious note - I couldn't give a monkey spunk about it; I'll be dead by the time it gets finished in all probability, and even if I'm not I doubt I'd be able to afford to use it anyway if rail fare rises continue the way they are going.

[JB!]

cobra kid said:

I work for Pandrol so loads of work for us over the next 20 years (hopefully).

Does the original owner still get a percentage of each clip sold?

What does HS1 use? vossloch?

[Chicane-UK]

I look forward to seeing the cost of the tickets too. I think it's already been demonstrated that commuter prices to London are already the most expensive in Europe (to other capitol cities) by some magnitude - and surely they'll be even more expensive on this thing.

Problem is it's extremely hard to trust or believe in the government these days - they could have the most awesome, clearly excellent project in the pipeline which won't cost a lot and which will deliver fantastic returns - and I'd still be sceptical of it.

[mmm-five]

Hopefully I'll get some work on the project management support side of the construction, as I did with HS1.

Also after the first franchise to run the line is up, I'll also get work helping with the sale bidding process as I did with HS1.

[powerstroke]

Ross1988 said:

Drivers
Guards
Chefs
Cleaners
Depot managers (Maintenance, shift, HR etc)
Depot cleaners
Technicians (Traction, Brake, HVAC, )
Engineers (Construction, maintenance, Surveyors, Track hand back engineers etc)
Delivery drivers and mates
People who make the parts to be delivered
People who pack the parts to be delivered
Store managers
Designers
CAD Techs
People who make the trains
People who deliver the trains
People who commission the trains
Maintenance techs
Labourers
Project managers
Project directors
Site agents
Clerk of works
Admin
Commissioning engineers
Supervisors
Superintendents
Electrical engineers
Electrical commissioners
Crane drivers
Machine drivers
COSS/Lookout/Sitewarden
Maintenance gangs
Fencing gangs
Track laying gangs
Points installation gangs
Points maintenance gangs
Joiners
Fitters
Decorators
People who make and deliver the rail.
People who make and deliver the sleepers
Cobrakid and his infernal fast clips
People who make teram
People who make ballast


This is all I can think of, but short on time. But remember it is a brand new line, new track, new stations and more importantly new demand.

You can't just go and order a million tonnes of ballast or 4000 OHLE spans and not create a job and a supply chain with it.

But I can see your point, the government has stated it will create x amount of jobs, but when all done and dusted, how many of these are permanent?

You won't need to employ someone who runs the rock crushing machine to make ballast forever.

Although the supply chain for a depot is huge.

You forgot all the lawyers and land agents
And other people who are needed to kick people out of there houses ,businesses and off
land , then all the people who deal with the distress and shattered lives like doctors and mental health workers ..

[JB!]

powerstroke said:

You forgot all the lawyers and land agents
And other people who are needed to kick people out of there houses ,businesses and off
land , then all the people who deal with the distress and shattered lives like doctors and mental health workers ..

Calm down its a railway line not neuclear holocaust...