The UK's first billionaire car dealer.
The UK's first billionaire car dealer.
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BlackLabel

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13,251 posts

145 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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Arnold has done well for himself.


driving.co.uk said:
SIR ARNOLD CLARK has become the first billionaire car dealer after the wealth of his family rose £350m in a year to £1.025bn.

Clark, 88, has greatly increased the gap between himself and Lord Edmiston, the second-wealthiest car dealer, according to The Sunday Times Rich List 2016, published tomorrow. It will say that Arnold Clark Automobiles, based in Glasgow, saw profits rise sharply in 2014 to £107.2m on record sales of £3.2bn. Other family assets include the yacht Drum, once owned by Simon Le Bon.
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CoolHands

22,096 posts

217 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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Where's Mike Brewer on the list? silly

EnglishTony

2,552 posts

121 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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Bernie Ecclestone's been through the car trade.

Which may explain alot.

ging84

9,548 posts

168 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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Lots of profits coming out the car industry, at a time the global economical outlook is quite gloomy, sounds to me like things are setting up for a big upset.
The amount of cars being sold on pcp and lease deals with very generous final valuations seems dangerously high, I wonder who is actually carrying that liability.


poing

8,743 posts

222 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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It's not really a surprise with such a professional and respected car business. I've never heard anyone say a bad word against them.

Wacky Racer

40,528 posts

269 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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CoolHands said:
Where's Mike Brewer on the list? silly
Just below Arthur Daley

hornetrider

63,161 posts

227 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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poing said:
It's not really a surprise with such a professional and respected car business. I've never heard anyone say a bad word against them.
hehe

Dyl

1,293 posts

232 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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Sales in 2014 of £3.2bn?! Thats almost £9million per day, seems very high!

3% profit margin, on the other hand, is lower than i would expect. Especially including gap insurance, servicing, et al which one would expect to be high in profit.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

157 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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poing said:
It's not really a surprise with such a professional and respected car business. I've never heard anyone say a bad word against them.
laugh

deltashad

6,731 posts

219 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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poing said:
It's not really a surprise with such a professional and respected car business. I've never heard anyone say a bad word against them.
Oh my, how I chuckled.

Back around the year 2000 my integrale developed a noise from the rear, I took it to the only remaining Lancia approved dealer/repairer in Scotland, you guessed who? I was quoted 1300 quid for a new propshaft and universal joint.

Took the car to a back street garage with a second hand prop shaft and new cheap universal joint. overal cost was around 200 quid. The fault wasn't any of this, was an inner wheel bearing. How did he get so rich?

krisdelta

4,661 posts

223 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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ging84 said:
Lots of profits coming out the car industry, at a time the global economical outlook is quite gloomy, sounds to me like things are setting up for a big upset.
The amount of cars being sold on pcp and lease deals with very generous final valuations seems dangerously high, I wonder who is actually carrying that liability.

A range of banks with sophisticated derivative products Us.

David87

6,953 posts

234 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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There does seem to be huge money in both new and used car sales. I know of a three people who (seemingly) are doing very well indeed from selling cars. One works in sales for a Land Rover dealer and the other two own used dealerships.

daemon

38,647 posts

219 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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Dyl said:
Sales in 2014 of £3.2bn?! Thats almost £9million per day, seems very high!

3% profit margin, on the other hand, is lower than i would expect. Especially including gap insurance, servicing, et al which one would expect to be high in profit.
Thats the level of margin in it for a volume big dealers. Yet people think the dealer is making thousands per car.



daemon

38,647 posts

219 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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ging84 said:
The amount of cars being sold on pcp and lease deals with very generous final valuations seems dangerously high, I wonder who is actually carrying that liability.

The manufacturers finance division. Apparently BMW Finance were down hundreds of millions back in '07 when the market crashed and people handed back their cars on VTs and at the end of term instead of trading in.

cptsideways

13,817 posts

274 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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The margins are small but there are no end of customers, I assume the profit margins tie in quite nicely with all the investment in new plots & shiny showrooms going up all over the place in the car business.

The backend cashback from the manufacturers on the bulk sales is where the money is made, retail side is almost 0% margin or at a loss going by what I glean.

They have a few good things going on dealer wise like in house non sales people who chat & advise customers, some quite neat sales video things on the cars in stock etc.

What happens when people can't afford their £190 a month for their econobox when the interest rates go up to 10% I don't know.

Roo

11,503 posts

229 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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Dyl said:
3% profit margin, on the other hand, is lower than i would expect.
That's very high compared to the industry average ROCE.

konark

1,215 posts

141 months

Monday 25th April 2016
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'SIR ARNOLD CLARK has become the first billionaire car dealer after the wealth of his family rose £350m in a year to £1.025bn.'

Glad to know we're all in it together.

mike74

3,687 posts

154 months

Monday 25th April 2016
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ging84 said:
Lots of profits coming out the car industry, at a time the global economical outlook is quite gloomy, sounds to me like things are setting up for a big upset.
The amount of cars being sold on pcp and lease deals with very generous final valuations seems dangerously high, I wonder who is actually carrying that liability.

Precisely.

What people need to understand is it isn't a car industry, it's a CREDIT industry... and as we're currently enjoying the biggest debt binge the world has ever known then any manufacturer that offers cheap and easy finance for it's products is going to do well.


For now...

blueg33

44,422 posts

246 months

Monday 25th April 2016
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deltashad said:
Oh my, how I chuckled.

Back around the year 2000 my integrale developed a noise from the rear, I took it to the only remaining Lancia approved dealer/repairer in Scotland, you guessed who? I was quoted 1300 quid for a new propshaft and universal joint.

Took the car to a back street garage with a second hand prop shaft and new cheap universal joint. overal cost was around 200 quid. The fault wasn't any of this, was an inner wheel bearing. How did he get so rich?
Breaking News. Secondhand parts cheaper than new parts. Back street garage cheaper than franchised dealer. Shock!



stongle

5,910 posts

184 months

Monday 25th April 2016
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mike74 said:
ging84 said:
Lots of profits coming out the car industry, at a time the global economical outlook is quite gloomy, sounds to me like things are setting up for a big upset.
The amount of cars being sold on pcp and lease deals with very generous final valuations seems dangerously high, I wonder who is actually carrying that liability.

Precisely.

What people need to understand is it isn't a car industry, it's a CREDIT industry... and as we're currently enjoying the biggest debt binge the world has ever known then any manufacturer that offers cheap and easy finance for it's products is going to do well.


For now...
Isn't this just monetary policy in full effect? Blaming the car dealers, or finance houses for doing well out of government and central bank economic policies seems odd. Fortuitous placing seems more apt.