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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-393282...
Acid seems to be the weapon of choice for gangsters, or those who wish to harm others. Apparently 74% of acid attack crimes reported in the past few years have had no conviction, which is shocking.
How can punching someone in the face and throwing acid be regarded as the same type of crime? (GBH). Surely if someone throws acid over someone with the intent to main or disfigure them for life it needs it's own special category - similar to attempted murder.
Take this case for example - the man was possibly the target, but the woman and child also had acid splashed over them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-395384...
There is a lot of crime in London for sure, but these acid attacks seem to be another level compared to knife or gun crime.
Acid seems to be the weapon of choice for gangsters, or those who wish to harm others. Apparently 74% of acid attack crimes reported in the past few years have had no conviction, which is shocking.
How can punching someone in the face and throwing acid be regarded as the same type of crime? (GBH). Surely if someone throws acid over someone with the intent to main or disfigure them for life it needs it's own special category - similar to attempted murder.
Take this case for example - the man was possibly the target, but the woman and child also had acid splashed over them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-395384...
There is a lot of crime in London for sure, but these acid attacks seem to be another level compared to knife or gun crime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#Epidem...
Majority of cases are AGAINST Women.
Highest numbers for attacks are in South Asia (Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Cambodia)
Then Middle East (Iran and Afghanistan)
Of course the Guardian readers will not name the religion that favours acid attacks, likes FGM and turns a blind eye to honour killings. And historically has treated Women as second class citizens under the control of their husbands
Majority of cases are AGAINST Women.
Highest numbers for attacks are in South Asia (Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Cambodia)
Then Middle East (Iran and Afghanistan)
Of course the Guardian readers will not name the religion that favours acid attacks, likes FGM and turns a blind eye to honour killings. And historically has treated Women as second class citizens under the control of their husbands
Corrosive attacks are nothing new, but it certainly seems as if they're increasing given the Met's data.
GBH is primarily about the level of injury, not the method of causing it.
With an acid attack it's most likely to be GBH with intent. The intent makes is a much more serious offence which has a vast range of sentencing options. 9-16 years for the most serious offences.
Not as serious as attempted murder, but acid attacks aren't usually intended to kill so the offence isn't committed in the first place.
There's certainly a sinister 'shock factor' to corrosive attacks, but I wouldn't put them on the level of guns / knives which often are used to kill / attempt to kill.
GBH is primarily about the level of injury, not the method of causing it.
With an acid attack it's most likely to be GBH with intent. The intent makes is a much more serious offence which has a vast range of sentencing options. 9-16 years for the most serious offences.
Not as serious as attempted murder, but acid attacks aren't usually intended to kill so the offence isn't committed in the first place.
There's certainly a sinister 'shock factor' to corrosive attacks, but I wouldn't put them on the level of guns / knives which often are used to kill / attempt to kill.
Rich_W said:
Majority of cases are AGAINST Women.
Apparently it's mainly men in the UK, which the OP was talking about. La Liga said:
Apparently it's mainly men in the UK, which the OP was talking about.
" Squirt" (Ammonia) has always been part of the gang culture in London. Since I would say the 70sBut there seems to be a strong denial to acknowledge that the increase in attacks on Women has coincided with an influx of people from certain parts of the world. (Its roughly 70/30 against women in the world) and 60/40 male/women in London.
That says to me that whilst gang use is likely Man on Man. The other 40% is probably not gang related as much as other reasons.
Rich_W said:
La Liga said:
Apparently it's mainly men in the UK, which the OP was talking about.
" Squirt" (Ammonia) has always been part of the gang culture in London. Since I would say the 70sBut there seems to be a strong denial to acknowledge that the increase in attacks on Women has coincided with an influx of people from certain parts of the world. (Its roughly 70/30 against women in the world) and 60/40 male/women in London.
That says to me that whilst gang use is likely Man on Man. The other 40% is probably not gang related as much as other reasons.
Of course, we can point to Jimmy Savile and entertainers from the 70s for massive injustice against children but lets ignore the repeated gang rape and paedophile rings that were hidden by the society you are not prepared to mention (and I understand your choice of phrase).
Rich_W said:
La Liga said:
Apparently it's mainly men in the UK, which the OP was talking about.
" Squirt" (Ammonia) has always been part of the gang culture in London. Since I would say the 70sBut there seems to be a strong denial to acknowledge that the increase in attacks on Women has coincided with an influx of people from certain parts of the world. (Its roughly 70/30 against women in the world) and 60/40 male/women in London.
That says to me that whilst gang use is likely Man on Man. The other 40% is probably not gang related as much as other reasons.
NHS data is sometimes better for capturing broader picture for something like this.
Rich_W said:
La Liga said:
Apparently it's mainly men in the UK, which the OP was talking about.
" Squirt" (Ammonia) has always been part of the gang culture in London. Since I would say the 70sBut there seems to be a strong denial to acknowledge that the increase in attacks on Women has coincided with an influx of people from certain parts of the world. (Its roughly 70/30 against women in the world) and 60/40 male/women in London.
That says to me that whilst gang use is likely Man on Man. The other 40% is probably not gang related as much as other reasons.
- In London men are twice as likely to be victims as women
- Recent high profile cases include someone in broad daylight in Fulham having acid poured over them. The person they were with got splashes of acid on her - no doubt she was just an innocent bystander
- A carjacking victim had acid squirted in his face
- nightclub acid attacks - how many innocent victims?
Why I think this is more dangerous than knives and guns - especially in London - if someone is targeted due to gang/drugs/whatever reason, there is a chance that innocent bystanders would be caught up in this - and the injuries will probably stay with you for the rest of your life.
saaby93 said:
s1962a said:
dfen5 said:
Where the hell would anyone buy acid strong enough for this sort of attack? Surely it's a controlled substance?
Drain cleaner from your local hardware store'Going equipped' wouldn't apply to an article which is going to be used for assault. It's for burglary / theft.
It'd be an offensive weapon which would have to be made / intended / adapted to do so. The first is out as the substances aren't made to hurt people. If in the original bottle it may be hard to prove 'intended'. If it's placed into a different bottle you could probably make a good case for intended / adapted depending on the circumstances.
It'd be an offensive weapon which would have to be made / intended / adapted to do so. The first is out as the substances aren't made to hurt people. If in the original bottle it may be hard to prove 'intended'. If it's placed into a different bottle you could probably make a good case for intended / adapted depending on the circumstances.
La Liga said:
If in the original bottle it may be hard to prove 'intended'. If it's placed into a different bottle you could probably make a good case for intended / adapted depending on the circumstances.
If a yoof of today was stopped by the police, and they found a small bottle of acid on him, is that an offence under current legislation? For example carrying a knife is an automatic offence, regardless of reason for having it on you.Trabi601 said:
Oh good, yet another discussion for the racists and bigots to openly display their prejudice and ignorance in N,P & E.
I'm astonished that Haymarket are allowing this to continue - some posters would be better off seeking out a Britain First forum.
If you refer to the perpetrators as "a certain demographic" nobody can tell you're a racist obvs.I'm astonished that Haymarket are allowing this to continue - some posters would be better off seeking out a Britain First forum.
s1962a said:
La Liga said:
If in the original bottle it may be hard to prove 'intended'. If it's placed into a different bottle you could probably make a good case for intended / adapted depending on the circumstances.
If a yoof of today was stopped by the police, and they found a small bottle of acid on him, is that an offence under current legislation? For example carrying a knife is an automatic offence, regardless of reason for having it on you.Knives have specific legislation (bladed articles) to deal with them so there's more scope for a knife to be illegal.
I think if you stopped a stereotypical hooded 'yoof' who was probably 'up to no good' and was in possession of a corrosive substance, you'd be inclined to arrest them.
Trabi601 said:
Oh good, yet another discussion for the racists and bigots to openly display their prejudice and ignorance in N,P & E.
I'm astonished that Haymarket are allowing this to continue - some posters would be better off seeking out a Britain First forum.
And another chance for those apologists for a certain demographic to try and shift the blame to the UK born lower classes.... I'm astonished that Haymarket are allowing this to continue - some posters would be better off seeking out a Britain First forum.
This is EXACTLY the attitude that resulted in Rotherham!
Or the increase of Black on Black gun crime (before Operation Trident)
You need to look at the facts, clearly crime is not related to one group. But where a link is starting to develop, you need to have the confidence to investigate and discuss it without the hysterical screechings of those who cry "racist" of "facist" at whatever they dislike.
Or their white self loathing, won't allow them to believe..
Edited by Rich_W on Sunday 23 April 18:17
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