Spiking of vegan meal by restaurant...
Discussion
Oh dear.....
Shropshire chef said she 'spiked' vegan meal http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-42...
Shropshire chef said she 'spiked' vegan meal http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-42...
I fail to see how unless cooked in a protective enviroment, they will be eating some kind of animal product anyway.
Ever cooked a steak or fried food in your kitchen, the air is full of animal fat that then clings to everything in the kitchen, this will also land on their food. Same goes for muslims eating in a place that cooks pork (ever fried bacon).
Still not nice to be spiked, whatever it is.
Ever cooked a steak or fried food in your kitchen, the air is full of animal fat that then clings to everything in the kitchen, this will also land on their food. Same goes for muslims eating in a place that cooks pork (ever fried bacon).
Still not nice to be spiked, whatever it is.
Have had a quarter eye on this story.
My Mrs is Veggie - almost vegan but is most certainly not a vegan as she will happily eat goats cheese, eggs in cooked things but is very much no meat, no fish.
From what i have been lead to believe there are a lot of SJWs who have totally misread and understood the chief's (still somewhat ill advised) post.
IIRC the Chief was not suggesting that they had for one second spiked the food. It was more that the person who was obviously a touch holier than thou doesn't seem to realise that by eating cheese they are not a vegan.
Still why let reality getting the way of a good internet lynching that is likely to lead to a few people unemployed and a tarnished reputation.
All because there are so many stupid people out there who like to give themselves labels that they do not understand!
My Mrs is Veggie - almost vegan but is most certainly not a vegan as she will happily eat goats cheese, eggs in cooked things but is very much no meat, no fish.
From what i have been lead to believe there are a lot of SJWs who have totally misread and understood the chief's (still somewhat ill advised) post.
IIRC the Chief was not suggesting that they had for one second spiked the food. It was more that the person who was obviously a touch holier than thou doesn't seem to realise that by eating cheese they are not a vegan.
Still why let reality getting the way of a good internet lynching that is likely to lead to a few people unemployed and a tarnished reputation.
All because there are so many stupid people out there who like to give themselves labels that they do not understand!
Not spiked by restaurant, more by themselves....
Giles Coren wrote a good piece in the Times about it.
To cut a long story short, restaurant went to lot of time and effort making vegan dishes for a party, some of whom then ordered the well known vegan option of a CHEESE and tomato pizza. Hence the spiked comment. Unbeknown to the restuarant owner/chef the vegans took umbrage at the spiked comment, left lots of bad reviews causing the owner to quit and the restaurant to close down putting a number of people out of a job.
Times article
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/94957561975038...
Giles Coren wrote a good piece in the Times about it.
To cut a long story short, restaurant went to lot of time and effort making vegan dishes for a party, some of whom then ordered the well known vegan option of a CHEESE and tomato pizza. Hence the spiked comment. Unbeknown to the restuarant owner/chef the vegans took umbrage at the spiked comment, left lots of bad reviews causing the owner to quit and the restaurant to close down putting a number of people out of a job.
Times article
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/94957561975038...
Mammasaid said:
Not spiked by restaurant, more by themselves....
Giles Coren wrote a good piece in the Times about it.
To cut a long story short, restaurant went to lot of time and effort making vegan dishes for a party, some of whom then ordered the well known vegan option of a CHEESE and tomato pizza. Hence the spiked comment. Unbeknown to the restuarant owner/chef the vegans took umbrage at the spiked comment, left lots of bad reviews causing the owner to quit and the restaurant to close down putting a number of people out of a job.
Times article
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/94957561975038...
Another example of social media fallout. Yes, the chef's comment was ill judged, but the consequences are out of all proportion. I did smile at the tweet responding to Giles Coren essentially saying meat eating is out of date in this century, but using Roman numerals to enumerate the century we're in.Giles Coren wrote a good piece in the Times about it.
To cut a long story short, restaurant went to lot of time and effort making vegan dishes for a party, some of whom then ordered the well known vegan option of a CHEESE and tomato pizza. Hence the spiked comment. Unbeknown to the restuarant owner/chef the vegans took umbrage at the spiked comment, left lots of bad reviews causing the owner to quit and the restaurant to close down putting a number of people out of a job.
Times article
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/94957561975038...
Rude-boy said:
Have had a quarter eye on this story.
My Mrs is Veggie - almost vegan but is most certainly not a vegan as she will happily eat goats cheese, eggs in cooked things but is very much no meat, no fish.
From what i have been lead to believe there are a lot of SJWs who have totally misread and understood the chief's (still somewhat ill advised) post.
IIRC the Chief was not suggesting that they had for one second spiked the food. It was more that the person who was obviously a touch holier than thou doesn't seem to realise that by eating cheese they are not a vegan.!
The chef is a moron. If you look up the post (deleted now but many articles used a screenshot of it) she specifically used the word "spiked". How else ere people meant to interpret that, other than animal ingredients used without permission of the person eating the meal. My Mrs is Veggie - almost vegan but is most certainly not a vegan as she will happily eat goats cheese, eggs in cooked things but is very much no meat, no fish.
From what i have been lead to believe there are a lot of SJWs who have totally misread and understood the chief's (still somewhat ill advised) post.
IIRC the Chief was not suggesting that they had for one second spiked the food. It was more that the person who was obviously a touch holier than thou doesn't seem to realise that by eating cheese they are not a vegan.!
Chef gave them what they asked for wven though they had made a vegan menu for them. Then describes giving said vegtableist what the vegtablist asked for as "spiked". So to conclude chef did not describe what she actually did and vegtableist was a bit thick whilest smugly tucking into there animal product based pizza.
smifffymoto said:
If you are ever to be unfortunate enough to find vegans on Youtube,you will also find some of the nastiest,most hate filled people on the planet.
Just to be sure...you're not having a vowel-tard moment and have been looking at vogons on YouTube instead? Did they read poetry?thebraketester said:
How do you know if someone is a vegan??
...... don't worry, they will tell you!
A restaurants nightmare so I can see why issues arise. Whenever we have catered for veggies/vegans they are never appreciative of the effort that’s gone into their single meal alongside everyone’s ‘normal’ one. ...... don't worry, they will tell you!
If it was a medical condition it would be easier to go along with, but as a ‘food fad’ then no.
Type R Tom said:
I don't believe it is a protected characteristic so you could legally discriminate (NO VEGANS)
Absolutely - you could not have a vegan option on your menu at all (might not be good for business, especially if you enjoy large group bookings) - or tell them when they ordered the food. Any number of more grown up things than what the chef actually did.I had the misfortune to share a working holiday with a vegetarian once.
It started well, as she "declared" early and the group leaders worked a good variety of vegetarian friendly recipes into the meal plans.
She was nice enough away from meal times, but a bit of a 'full house' on the hippy front. Circus school, baggy print pants, tie-die shirts, braids and beads in her hair (which didn't look like it got washed very often). The whole "I'm not wearing leather boots" thing too, which made getting steel-toecaps for her a bit of a struggle.
The thing was, despite being VERY vocal about her vegetarianism, and wearing her 'causes' on her sleeve, she just wasn't very grateful when vegetarian food was placed in front of her. She "didn't like this", and "didn't like that". There were some vegetable products she wouldn't eat (fair one, as there are meat products I don't like too), and it wasn't just a simple "no thank you" but an extended whinge every time she was "forced to go hungry".
There was an older couple there too, the whole "left the world behind" vibe going on. They were lovely, lived off their pensions in a camper van all year round, traveled a lot, volunteered, paid to go on these working holidays. Veggies too, but not in a militant, point-scoring kind of way.
At one stage, I'd offered to "go veggie" for the week if it helped the organisers with buying ingredients in more economical sizes, and offered to "go veggie" at the group's meal out toward the end of the week. The plan was that I'd sit next to her to be a buffer between her and the carnivores so that she wouldn't have to sit next to someone slobbering over a steak. But when the restaurant served her selected meal, she really didn't like what was put in front of her. It was good food though, I know because I ate hers as well as mine.
It ended up with her surviving for the week on sandwiches, fruit, and cereal with some form of milk substitute on it. She was an odd sort of 'political vegetarian' who didn't actually like vegetarian cuisine, and wasn't very accommodating with the solutions and compromises the rest of the group were happy to make for her. The week ended with most of the group reluctant to socialise with her. I didn't dislike her, but I did become quite frustrated by her inflexibility (ironic for someone learning circus skills).
I can only imagine that a vegan would be even more difficult to please even some of the time in a similar situation.
On the other hand my sister-in-law is a vegetarian. But she compromises at home, with meat in the fridge (as my brother isn't a veggie) and the kids get a pretty healthy mix of meat and vegetarian dishes. She makes great vegetarian food, and I'm happy to eat whatever she's eating when I stay with them. The trouble is, some non-vegetarians can be quite divisive and play silly games over her vegetarian lifestyle. For instance, at a wedding we went to, there was no vegetarian option in the 'nibbles' between the service and the main meal, and she's pretty much sidelined by my other siblings, as she's the only veggie that they know.
But having read this story in various places, the only thing the chef did wrong was to be a little naive about her use of the word "spiked". She didn't "spike" anything. It's been accepted that the person who purchased the offending pizza may not even have been a full-on vegan, or even a veggie, and that person ordered the pizza knowing full well what was on it. All this is is a chef frustrated by the fact that, on prior warning that she was catering for a party of vegans, has gone to a lot of trouble to introduce a more comprehensive menu of vegan-friendly recipes, only to feel that she needn't have bothered because one or more of them ordered off the regular menu and chose a non-vegan item FOR and BY themselves. In and of itself this is a complete non-event. Any vegan could choose to change their stance on food issues and order a bloody porterhouse steak at any point they wanted to. It's up to them if they want to give up being a vegan to go veggie or full on omnivore. It's certainly not a news story. But if you're a chef who's gone to extra effort, only for a supposed vegan to order a dish that clearly isn't in keeping with their self-declared lifestyle choice? Well it's going to frustrate you, surely. The trouble with social media has been demonstrated in this case. Something which she'd have gone home and moaned about to her partner, or shared face-to-face with selected friends in the past has found it's way into the public domain through the magic of social media, and a large group of ultra-stupid morons has formed a lynch-mob to hound her out of town on the basis of one word in an on-line post. All despite the fact that she clearly explained what had happened, and there was no "spiking" of anything. All she did was prepare and cook a dish as requested by the diner. And whilst I know I shouldn't, I now have a very low opinion of vegans in general, and will probably go out of my way to avoid having anything to do with them.
It's not ideal for veganism, because they're on a bit of a crusade (or at least that's how it appears) and unless you can be seen to be reasonable, and display a certain degree of realism about the pace of any change you are trying to achieve in the diet of the general population, then all you are doing is undermining your own cause. And all that this ill-informed, ill-judged lynch mob has done for me is to make me feel less likely to compromise and accommodate the sensibilities of both vegetarians and vegans. Currently I'm the bloke who sometimes chooses a vegetarian option at a restaurant on the basis of "it looks interesting, I'll try that" or "I'm dining with a veggie, it'd be a tad rude to order a big juicy steak while seated next to them". In future, I think I'm going to be more likely to order the biggest, bloodiest steak on the menu, even if I'd rather have the wild mushroom risotto, just "because offensive to a vegan's sensibilities". It's about time someone from a vegan group stuck their head above the parapet on this issue and called off the mob. Because judging by the way they've reacted to the misjudged use of a single word, they've demonstrated that they are entirely unreasonable and completely inflexible. If I were a restaurateur I'd be giving serious consideration to removing vegan dishes from my menu entirely. But then it becomes like the drivers/cyclists debate, with people being split into 'camps' of vegans/carnivores and being represented by increasingly vocal and quite spiteful idiots, and the veggies/vegans only being catered for by out-and-out vegetarian/vegan chefs. It's all very silly. The chef in question, as I understand it, has apologised for mis-using the word "spiked", yet there appears to be no such acceptance of the circumstances by the vegan 'camp'. It's plain daft to me, and what should have been a storm in a teacup seems to have morphed into a full-blown business destroying tornado of hyped-up righteousness.
If I were closer to Shropshire, I'd probably seek the restaurant out to give it some business and a 5* review (or three), but I'm not, so I won't. It's just thoroughly depressing that the world has come to this. Of all the pressing problems the world needs to be attending to right now, some mentally defective a
holes have decided that the one they'd like to give the highest priority to is a very local squabble between two people over a portion of mozzarella cheese...
It started well, as she "declared" early and the group leaders worked a good variety of vegetarian friendly recipes into the meal plans.
She was nice enough away from meal times, but a bit of a 'full house' on the hippy front. Circus school, baggy print pants, tie-die shirts, braids and beads in her hair (which didn't look like it got washed very often). The whole "I'm not wearing leather boots" thing too, which made getting steel-toecaps for her a bit of a struggle.
The thing was, despite being VERY vocal about her vegetarianism, and wearing her 'causes' on her sleeve, she just wasn't very grateful when vegetarian food was placed in front of her. She "didn't like this", and "didn't like that". There were some vegetable products she wouldn't eat (fair one, as there are meat products I don't like too), and it wasn't just a simple "no thank you" but an extended whinge every time she was "forced to go hungry".
There was an older couple there too, the whole "left the world behind" vibe going on. They were lovely, lived off their pensions in a camper van all year round, traveled a lot, volunteered, paid to go on these working holidays. Veggies too, but not in a militant, point-scoring kind of way.
At one stage, I'd offered to "go veggie" for the week if it helped the organisers with buying ingredients in more economical sizes, and offered to "go veggie" at the group's meal out toward the end of the week. The plan was that I'd sit next to her to be a buffer between her and the carnivores so that she wouldn't have to sit next to someone slobbering over a steak. But when the restaurant served her selected meal, she really didn't like what was put in front of her. It was good food though, I know because I ate hers as well as mine.
It ended up with her surviving for the week on sandwiches, fruit, and cereal with some form of milk substitute on it. She was an odd sort of 'political vegetarian' who didn't actually like vegetarian cuisine, and wasn't very accommodating with the solutions and compromises the rest of the group were happy to make for her. The week ended with most of the group reluctant to socialise with her. I didn't dislike her, but I did become quite frustrated by her inflexibility (ironic for someone learning circus skills).
I can only imagine that a vegan would be even more difficult to please even some of the time in a similar situation.
On the other hand my sister-in-law is a vegetarian. But she compromises at home, with meat in the fridge (as my brother isn't a veggie) and the kids get a pretty healthy mix of meat and vegetarian dishes. She makes great vegetarian food, and I'm happy to eat whatever she's eating when I stay with them. The trouble is, some non-vegetarians can be quite divisive and play silly games over her vegetarian lifestyle. For instance, at a wedding we went to, there was no vegetarian option in the 'nibbles' between the service and the main meal, and she's pretty much sidelined by my other siblings, as she's the only veggie that they know.
But having read this story in various places, the only thing the chef did wrong was to be a little naive about her use of the word "spiked". She didn't "spike" anything. It's been accepted that the person who purchased the offending pizza may not even have been a full-on vegan, or even a veggie, and that person ordered the pizza knowing full well what was on it. All this is is a chef frustrated by the fact that, on prior warning that she was catering for a party of vegans, has gone to a lot of trouble to introduce a more comprehensive menu of vegan-friendly recipes, only to feel that she needn't have bothered because one or more of them ordered off the regular menu and chose a non-vegan item FOR and BY themselves. In and of itself this is a complete non-event. Any vegan could choose to change their stance on food issues and order a bloody porterhouse steak at any point they wanted to. It's up to them if they want to give up being a vegan to go veggie or full on omnivore. It's certainly not a news story. But if you're a chef who's gone to extra effort, only for a supposed vegan to order a dish that clearly isn't in keeping with their self-declared lifestyle choice? Well it's going to frustrate you, surely. The trouble with social media has been demonstrated in this case. Something which she'd have gone home and moaned about to her partner, or shared face-to-face with selected friends in the past has found it's way into the public domain through the magic of social media, and a large group of ultra-stupid morons has formed a lynch-mob to hound her out of town on the basis of one word in an on-line post. All despite the fact that she clearly explained what had happened, and there was no "spiking" of anything. All she did was prepare and cook a dish as requested by the diner. And whilst I know I shouldn't, I now have a very low opinion of vegans in general, and will probably go out of my way to avoid having anything to do with them.
It's not ideal for veganism, because they're on a bit of a crusade (or at least that's how it appears) and unless you can be seen to be reasonable, and display a certain degree of realism about the pace of any change you are trying to achieve in the diet of the general population, then all you are doing is undermining your own cause. And all that this ill-informed, ill-judged lynch mob has done for me is to make me feel less likely to compromise and accommodate the sensibilities of both vegetarians and vegans. Currently I'm the bloke who sometimes chooses a vegetarian option at a restaurant on the basis of "it looks interesting, I'll try that" or "I'm dining with a veggie, it'd be a tad rude to order a big juicy steak while seated next to them". In future, I think I'm going to be more likely to order the biggest, bloodiest steak on the menu, even if I'd rather have the wild mushroom risotto, just "because offensive to a vegan's sensibilities". It's about time someone from a vegan group stuck their head above the parapet on this issue and called off the mob. Because judging by the way they've reacted to the misjudged use of a single word, they've demonstrated that they are entirely unreasonable and completely inflexible. If I were a restaurateur I'd be giving serious consideration to removing vegan dishes from my menu entirely. But then it becomes like the drivers/cyclists debate, with people being split into 'camps' of vegans/carnivores and being represented by increasingly vocal and quite spiteful idiots, and the veggies/vegans only being catered for by out-and-out vegetarian/vegan chefs. It's all very silly. The chef in question, as I understand it, has apologised for mis-using the word "spiked", yet there appears to be no such acceptance of the circumstances by the vegan 'camp'. It's plain daft to me, and what should have been a storm in a teacup seems to have morphed into a full-blown business destroying tornado of hyped-up righteousness.
If I were closer to Shropshire, I'd probably seek the restaurant out to give it some business and a 5* review (or three), but I'm not, so I won't. It's just thoroughly depressing that the world has come to this. Of all the pressing problems the world needs to be attending to right now, some mentally defective a
holes have decided that the one they'd like to give the highest priority to is a very local squabble between two people over a portion of mozzarella cheese...Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff