"The Everything Bubble". Should we be concerned?
"The Everything Bubble". Should we be concerned?
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Original Poster:

331 posts

98 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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The theory that after dot-com and housing bubbles, along with increase in personal/gov't debt and QA, there is a crash of most asset classes due.

The year has started positively, so is this a blatantly silly theory or are we experiencing the beginning of the end of the good times?

rxe

6,700 posts

124 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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If I knew there was going to be a problem this year, I would be counting my gains on my Caribbean island, rather than working for a living.

My view is that we have a looming disconnect in much of the developed world. Living standards are way beyond our means to pay for them. You only have to look at the impossibility of governments not borrowing more money to meet their obligations, let alone actually paying anything back. This is certainly true in the UK and the US. The fact that money is increasingly worthless (as shown by asset prices taking off) is the other side of this. I've never understood why a government bond at some pathetic rate of interest is attractive, you can pretty much guarantee that it will merely buy a cup of coffee in 30 years time.

So no predictions from me about when. I have no idea. But, I'm pretty clear that we're far from being "out of the woods".

garagewidow

1,502 posts

191 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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I wouldn't dismiss it entirely as theory,I expect for some the final demand may hit the door mat soon,those good times have to be paid for eventually.

iphonedyou

10,057 posts

178 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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rxe said:
I've never understood why a government bond at some pathetic rate of interest is attractive, you can pretty much guarantee that it will merely buy a cup of coffee in 30 years time.
Safety.

frisbee

5,447 posts

131 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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rxe said:
If I knew there was going to be a problem this year, I would be counting my gains on my Caribbean island, rather than working for a living.

My view is that we have a looming disconnect in much of the developed world. Living standards are way beyond our means to pay for them. You only have to look at the impossibility of governments not borrowing more money to meet their obligations, let alone actually paying anything back. This is certainly true in the UK and the US. The fact that money is increasingly worthless (as shown by asset prices taking off) is the other side of this. I've never understood why a government bond at some pathetic rate of interest is attractive, you can pretty much guarantee that it will merely buy a cup of coffee in 30 years time.

So no predictions from me about when. I have no idea. But, I'm pretty clear that we're far from being "out of the woods".
But are we living beyond our means? Yes, we may destroy the planet in a few hundred years but we can support the current number of people in the life style they generally expect. We aren't about to switch to half rations and start eyeing up who to eat next.

Hoofy

79,174 posts

303 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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There was a discussion on Radio 4 about a month ago regarding leased cars. At some point they will be returned en masse and that could cause an issue as people don't buy another and/or there's an issue getting rid of these returned cars. Wasn't really paying attention as I buy cars outright.

Greshamst

2,439 posts

141 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Hoofy said:
There was a discussion on Radio 4 about a month ago regarding leased cars. At some point they will be returned en masse and that could cause an issue as people don't buy another and/or there's an issue getting rid of these returned cars. Wasn't really paying attention as I buy cars outright.
Pistonheads cliche bingo anyone?

Digga

45,320 posts

304 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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House price to earnings are gradually narrowing - they are historically high and the cause of numerous inter-generational issues. It seems, from current wage increases, the UK is about it inflate its way out of this and also toward higher GDP. Productivity is also finally making headway.

So expect interest rate increases and then, yes, some people will be caught swimming naked when the tide goes out, but I don't really see a massive correction, so much as a gradual erosion of real values due to inflation.

Hoofy

79,174 posts

303 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Greshamst said:
Hoofy said:
There was a discussion on Radio 4 about a month ago regarding leased cars. At some point they will be returned en masse and that could cause an issue as people don't buy another and/or there's an issue getting rid of these returned cars. Wasn't really paying attention as I buy cars outright.
Pistonheads cliche bingo anyone?
Dunno. Blame Radio 4.

Certainly, I'd pay for a 335d mapped, an MX5 and a can of Red Bull in cash.

Edited by Hoofy on Wednesday 10th January 16:53