Smoking and justice
Discussion
Is this really what our courts are about :
https://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/magistrate...
To summarise - This is list of 14 cases..
" xxx was fined £220 and ordered to pay £216 costs for dropping a cigarette on the ground and leaving it there, ... (various locations and dates of offence). The verdict was proved in her absence."
I think that is harsh, even though I quit smoking over 5 years ago.
https://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/magistrate...
To summarise - This is list of 14 cases..
" xxx was fined £220 and ordered to pay £216 costs for dropping a cigarette on the ground and leaving it there, ... (various locations and dates of offence). The verdict was proved in her absence."
I think that is harsh, even though I quit smoking over 5 years ago.
rayny said:
Is this really what our courts are about :
https://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/magistrate...
To summarise - This is list of 14 cases..
" xxx was fined £220 and ordered to pay £216 costs for dropping a cigarette on the ground and leaving it there, ... (various locations and dates of offence). The verdict was proved in her absence."
I think that is harsh, even though I quit smoking over 5 years ago.
I notice the verdict was reached in their absence. https://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/magistrate...
To summarise - This is list of 14 cases..
" xxx was fined £220 and ordered to pay £216 costs for dropping a cigarette on the ground and leaving it there, ... (various locations and dates of offence). The verdict was proved in her absence."
I think that is harsh, even though I quit smoking over 5 years ago.
Too lax, I'd give litterers hard labour.
I think fines should be even heavier for littering - it’s disgusting, lazy and harmful in a great many ways.... it’s really easy not to drop litter, and yet millions of morons do it day in day out without a thought for the consequences. If more people were caught in the act and fined it might help it become less commonplace.
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
True. Though strangely people who wouldn't ordinarily litter seem to think that cigarette ends are somehow different.
Yep it's weird, my dad was the same when he smoked; hated littering but wouldn't think twice about flinging his dog end out of the car window or on to the pavement. rayny said:
Is this really what our courts are about :
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I think that is harsh, even though I quit smoking over 5 years ago.
Is it harsh? Perhaps. But they had the opportunity not to go to court....
I think that is harsh, even though I quit smoking over 5 years ago.
https://www.gov.uk/pay-challenge-fine-environmenta...
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/fixed-penalty-notices-...
They would have all had a fixed penalty ticket - £50-150, usually £100. They all chose not to pay it or appeal it, but to simply ignore it. So... it went to court. And, obviously, the penalty then increases.
So we've got a list of scumbags who thought the world was their ashtray, and that they didn't want to play by the accepted rules of civilised society. Poor lambs have been hit harder than they expected? Good. Maybe next time, they'll not be such a
holes.I think it was on here a few years ago that I read about the Dutch police stopping a driver on the motorway for dropping his cigarette end out the window. They drove him back to roughly the point he did it and made him pick it up, when he said he couldn't tell which one was his they made him pick them all up for about 1km.
Our police would be fired for even thinking about that but I bet it stopped him doing it again. I think picking up litter should be the punishment for all people who drop it. 5 days picking up litter would give them time to think about it.
Our police would be fired for even thinking about that but I bet it stopped him doing it again. I think picking up litter should be the punishment for all people who drop it. 5 days picking up litter would give them time to think about it.
rayny said:
Is this really what our courts are about :
https://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/magistrate...
To summarise - This is list of 14 cases..
" xxx was fined £220 and ordered to pay £216 costs for dropping a cigarette on the ground and leaving it there, ... (various locations and dates of offence). The verdict was proved in her absence."
I think that is harsh, even though I quit smoking over 5 years ago.
It seems to be going quite well, so far.https://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/magistrate...
To summarise - This is list of 14 cases..
" xxx was fined £220 and ordered to pay £216 costs for dropping a cigarette on the ground and leaving it there, ... (various locations and dates of offence). The verdict was proved in her absence."
I think that is harsh, even though I quit smoking over 5 years ago.
HTP99 said:
It's not really about smoking is it, it's littering which is frankly disgusting so I'm all in favour I'm afraid.
Completely agree, although smokers in particular often seem to think that having blasted their carcinogenic used combustion products into everyone else's air, it's also perfectly acceptable to drop the remains in the street.melhookv12 said:
Should of been more.
Next time you walk down a high street look at the litter on the floor. The majority is fag butts and gum. It's ok for a smoker to drop a butt, so I can just dump my sofa in the street when I've finished with it ?
Teach them a lesson.
You can if you live in a caravan Next time you walk down a high street look at the litter on the floor. The majority is fag butts and gum. It's ok for a smoker to drop a butt, so I can just dump my sofa in the street when I've finished with it ?
Teach them a lesson.
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