one complaint gets a herd moved (and culled)
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-4...
A herd of cattle has been forced from a Peak District beauty spot it had grazed on for 40 years after a complaint. The 30-strong highland herd had roamed Baslow Edge for decades alongside a popular footpath. Last year the cows, which had young calves, confronted a dog and after the owner complained farmer Alex Birch was told to move his animals.
Initial reaction? Seems to me that the dog walker is a bit of a
A herd of cattle has been forced from a Peak District beauty spot it had grazed on for 40 years after a complaint. The 30-strong highland herd had roamed Baslow Edge for decades alongside a popular footpath. Last year the cows, which had young calves, confronted a dog and after the owner complained farmer Alex Birch was told to move his animals.
Initial reaction? Seems to me that the dog walker is a bit of a
Bloody HSE
(I speak as a dog owner) If the dog walker is stupid enough to put themselves in that position, and not accept the responsibility of owning a dog AND choosing to walk through a field of cows then the dog walker should be banned from the field, not the cows.
Jeesus we don't have any personal responsibility anymore and the HSE drives me nuts.
(I speak as a dog owner) If the dog walker is stupid enough to put themselves in that position, and not accept the responsibility of owning a dog AND choosing to walk through a field of cows then the dog walker should be banned from the field, not the cows.
Jeesus we don't have any personal responsibility anymore and the HSE drives me nuts.
This was the perfumed ponce's complainant's original post on Singletrack ...
"Me and the family came close to being skewered / trampled yesterday whilst out walking on the bridleway near Wellingtons monument near Baslow. At one stage I was pinned up against the stone wall by the woolly bully, before having to run in one direction with the dog, allowing the wife and kids to escape the other way. They were being proper protective of their calves, which were hidden in the long grass until it was too late. I’m a fairly laid back person, but felt the incident serious enough to fill in a form on the HSE website, making my self feel like a right townie. Not sure the cattle have the right temperment for being in a field with public access."
"Me and the family came close to being skewered / trampled yesterday whilst out walking on the bridleway near Wellingtons monument near Baslow. At one stage I was pinned up against the stone wall by the woolly bully, before having to run in one direction with the dog, allowing the wife and kids to escape the other way. They were being proper protective of their calves, which were hidden in the long grass until it was too late. I’m a fairly laid back person, but felt the incident serious enough to fill in a form on the HSE website, making my self feel like a right townie. Not sure the cattle have the right temperment for being in a field with public access."
As ever, I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye.
My starting points would be - the reference to 'previous incidents' in the article, and whether they own the land the cows were grazing on. There is a world of difference between choosing to walk in a field full of cows, and being accosted by aggressive cattle when minding your own business walking through public land in a national park.
I'm not saying either side is right but, generally speaking, the HSE are pretty good at treading the line between safety and interference. Court action isn't something that they take lightly. Declaration of interest: my dad was an HSE officer for 40 years.
My starting points would be - the reference to 'previous incidents' in the article, and whether they own the land the cows were grazing on. There is a world of difference between choosing to walk in a field full of cows, and being accosted by aggressive cattle when minding your own business walking through public land in a national park.
I'm not saying either side is right but, generally speaking, the HSE are pretty good at treading the line between safety and interference. Court action isn't something that they take lightly. Declaration of interest: my dad was an HSE officer for 40 years.
If you are walking a dog across a field with cows and they are acting aggressively to you the very very last thing you want to so is keep the dog on a lead. Let it run... the cows will chase it off so you can walk to safely. People get killed by keeping the dog on the lead in those circumstances .
I’ve walked that path with my dog many times and although the cattle can be stubborn and block the path meaning you have to walk around over the heather they’ve never been aggressive. I used to love seeing them now this fking townie has ruined it for everyone because of the scary hairy horny things, what a .
king townie has ruined it for everyone because of the scary hairy horny things, what a . Europa1 said:
Saleen836 said:
I'm going to open with....I wouldn't be surprised if the dog wasn't on it's lead!
If it were the owner would (if he had any sence) have walked the dog away from the cattle.
From the article: "...the dog, which was on a lead..."If it were the owner would (if he had any sence) have walked the dog away from the cattle.
Europa1 said:
Saleen836 said:
I'm going to open with....I wouldn't be surprised if the dog wasn't on it's lead!
If it were the owner would (if he had any sence) have walked the dog away from the cattle.
From the article: "...the dog, which was on a lead..."If it were the owner would (if he had any sence) have walked the dog away from the cattle.
the cows will chase the dog (which is usually quick enough to get away), rather than chasing the human
PugwasHDJ80 said:
Europa1 said:
Saleen836 said:
I'm going to open with....I wouldn't be surprised if the dog wasn't on it's lead!
If it were the owner would (if he had any sence) have walked the dog away from the cattle.
From the article: "...the dog, which was on a lead..."If it were the owner would (if he had any sence) have walked the dog away from the cattle.
the cows will chase the dog (which is usually quick enough to get away), rather than chasing the human
PositronicRay said:
I just double the lead though his collar, just incase I have to let him go quickly. I wouldn't advise walking a dog off lead around livestock.
My lurcher is prey-mad and will chase to exhaustion. So far he's ignored sheep but occasionally barks at cows, he goes absolutely insane if deer are in the area. There's no way I can trust him off lead around livestock so if it means I have to walk 20 minutes out of my way to avoid them I do.For dog owners I guess it's know your dog and be sensible, don't get into a situation where you can provoke the 2-tonne lump of muscle, but I still feel the farmer needs to take responsibility a bit here in that if his herd have calves and are protective of them, he should have a secure field with no public access for them to graze in.
j_4m said:
PositronicRay said:
I just double the lead though his collar, just incase I have to let him go quickly. I wouldn't advise walking a dog off lead around livestock.
My lurcher is prey-mad and will chase to exhaustion. So far he's ignored sheep but occasionally barks at cows, he goes absolutely insane if deer are in the area. There's no way I can trust him off lead around livestock so if it means I have to walk 20 minutes out of my way to avoid them I do.For dog owners I guess it's know your dog and be sensible, don't get into a situation where you can provoke the 2-tonne lump of muscle, but I still feel the farmer needs to take responsibility a bit here in that if his herd have calves and are protective of them, he should have a secure field with no public access for them to graze in.
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