Five month old boy dies after circumcision in Italy

[Dromedary66]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6845051/F...

Comes just a few months after an identical case.

When will this practice of male genital mutilation end?

I hope the parents cannot live with the guilt and it haunts them till the day they die.

[DurianIceCream]

Dromedary66 said:

I hope the parents cannot live with the guilt and it haunts them till the day they die.

I'd say wishing such ill will on parents who have lost their child reflects your own poor character.

Performing the circumcision at home was a poor choice by the parents. The article does state that Italian hospitals don't circumcise until 4. Leaving aside if you agree with circumcision or not, performing a circumcision at less than 4 is no worse than performing a circumcision over the age of 4.

Edited by DurianIceCream on Sunday 24th March 22:50

[poo at Paul's]

DurianIceCream said:

I'd say wishing such ill will on parents who have lost their child reflects your own poor character.

Not really. A 5 month old has no say on the matter and yet, has the same rights as everyone else. The responsibility for his safety and wellbeing falls entirely on his parents, and they have failed him. They deserve nothing more than to live with the horrific consequences of their decision, a decision made on the basis of THEIR beliefs, not the kid's.
So I sort of see where he is coming from.

There will be sympathy from like minded people I am sure, but most of the self same people would deride the parents of a 5 month old that died after having a body piercing or tattoo. Funny that.

[Peter911]

I've been raising this issue for years, but of cause I would be derided as anti-semitic.

I am not anti anything, except mutilating children.

(That's not strictly true, I am against many things, but both FGM an MGM are wrong)

[Mr Tidy]

Yes, all this media pressure against FGM but why is MGM seen to be acceptable?

Ban chopping of any genitalia - it's not like the victims get a choice!

[The Li-ion King]

The last time I commented on such, a troll called me scum and got away with it by getting my replies removed

In the majority of black cultures boys are usually circumcised at birth or 8 days, mainly for hygiene. The blood coagulation is stronger on day 8. This couple from Ghana leaving it till 5 months is very odd, and trying to do it yourself is disturbing

For the same cultural reasons my daughter's ears were pierced at 6 months, which caused no amount of chaos on the Retailers In Trouble thread, with one wag saying it was "Council" In most parts of Ghana they pierce the girl's ears at 8 days, whereas we waited for all our daughter's immunisations to be done first. And no, she isn't called Destiny or anything Council some may not understand or appreciate other cultures, but in the instance of this poor little boy it's tragic. Lack of education and probably trying to save money as it's a costly procedure when done in the right environment

[Troubleatmill]

At least their Sky Fairy will be happy.

[technodup]

Any 'culture' which insists on mutilating young children is a retarded culture. And I mean that in the proper sense of the word. Backward.

[anonymous-user]

I witnessed one, when I was living in Israel big outdoor party with a surgical procedure thrown in.

Twas most disconcerting and wince inducing as the main preparation for the rabbi was to sink two bottles of red before attempting the circumcision.

[Dromedary66]

DurianIceCream said:

I'd say wishing such ill will on parents who have lost their child reflects your own poor character.

Of course you would say that being a proponent of MGM.

I think it shows poor character to allow a baby's genitals to be ritually mutilated.

[Dromedary66]

Vandenberg said:

I witnessed one, when I was living in Israel big outdoor party with a surgical procedure thrown in.

Twas most disconcerting and wince inducing as the main preparation for the rabbi was to sink two bottles of red before attempting the circumcision.

I understand the wine plays an important part in disinfecting the Rabbi's mouth when performing metzitzah b'peh (oral suction) - sucking the blood from the raw wound of the glans. Doesn't always prevent the baby getting herpes and dying though.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-what-is-or...

[thebraketester]

So fked up. Where do you even begin......

Sucking a babies todger is fine if you bracket it under “religion” or “culture”??

[snake_oil]

Dromedary66 said:

I understand the wine plays an important part in disinfecting the Rabbi's mouth when performing metzitzah b'peh (oral suction) - sucking the blood from the raw wound of the glans. Doesn't always prevent the baby getting herpes and dying though.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-what-is-or...

Say what.

[Triumph Man]

I was circumcised at a young age - not for religious but for health reasons. And my few month old nob certainly wasn't sucked...

[tomw2000]

thebraketester said:

So fked up. Where do you even begin......

Sucking a babies todger is fine if you bracket it under “religion” or “culture”??

OMG I didn't even know that was a 'thing' //vomit//

[snake_oil]

tomw2000 said:

thebraketester said:

So fked up. Where do you even begin......

Sucking a babies todger is fine if you bracket it under “religion” or “culture”??

OMG I didn't even know that was a 'thing/ //vomit//

I've looked it up and it is rare apparently but even so. What the actual fk!

[croyde]

I thought I had heard everything daft about religion, but sucking an infants todger.

FFS

[hidetheelephants]

There's only one valid reason for circumcising a child and that's phimosis bad enough to interfere with urination; anything else is child abuse pandering to stone age belief. If adults wish to have a piece of their knob hacked off by an appropriately qualified medic that's their concern. At no point in either case should rotten rabbinical teeth or sharp stones be involved.

[Noodle1982]

snake_oil said:

tomw2000 said:

thebraketester said:

So fked up. Where do you even begin......

Sucking a babies todger is fine if you bracket it under “religion” or “culture”??

OMG I didn't even know that was a 'thing/ //vomit//

I've looked it up and it is rare apparently but even so. What the actual fk!

Look up the stats and various cases regarding herpes, brain damage and death in infants due to the knob sucking part.

But hey, it's all in the name of religion so we aren't allowed to question it.

[98elise]

hidetheelephants said:

There's only one valid reason for circumcising a child and that's phimosis bad enough to interfere with urination; anything else is child abuse pandering to stone age belief. If adults wish to have a piece of their knob hacked off by an appropriately qualified medic that's their concern. At no point in either case should rotten rabbinical teeth or sharp stones be involved.

Ageed. It should be done for medical reasons only. Even then there should be other options looked at.

My son had phimosis and the NHS default was to circumcise. I questioned this and luckily our local hospital had a surgeon willing to try a corrective surgery. We went with that but agreed with the surgeon that he could circumcise if he felt that was the best option.

Ultimately he had to circumcise but I'm happy we it was a last resort only.

You don't own your children. You have a responsibility towards them.