No such thing as rehabilitation.
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Jaroon said:
No such thing as rehabilitation per se. With caviates, If prison is so intolerable that as a dererrent the fear of receiving the the same treatment will prevent reoffendng is the only way incarceration works beyond the short term have them off the streets situation.
I've read that several times and it still makes no sense. Have you ever thought of investing in a few full stops and commas?
t. Sort it out. The evidence suggests that countries that focus on execution for certain crimes have an offender zero repeat rate for said crimes.....
Personally in any case that someone is murdered with no doubt of the perpetrator then an execution should be carried out. I don't want this person to be sent to prison and be kept alive.
Personally in any case that someone is murdered with no doubt of the perpetrator then an execution should be carried out. I don't want this person to be sent to prison and be kept alive.
loafer123 said:
biggbn said:
loafer123 said:
Norway is the gold standard, but costs 3x the US prison per inmate.
A cost worth spending if it means less crime, less victims and less ruined lives.biggbn said:
loafer123 said:
biggbn said:
loafer123 said:
Norway is the gold standard, but costs 3x the US prison per inmate.
A cost worth spending if it means less crime, less victims and less ruined lives.Given your propensity for spending taxpayers money in your posts on here, I was curious where your view that “it was worth it” ended...If the cost is £1m per prisoner, is might not be worth it.
loafer123 said:
That poster was me.
Given your propensity for spending taxpayers money in your posts on here, I was curious where your view that “it was worth it” ended...If the cost is £1m per prisoner, is might not be worth it.
I agree, pragmatism must kick in at some point, or perhaps we could spend current investment more wisely? Given your propensity for spending taxpayers money in your posts on here, I was curious where your view that “it was worth it” ended...If the cost is £1m per prisoner, is might not be worth it.
Scootersp said:
loafer123 said:
Please show your workings.
They have approx x10 less prisoners per 100,000 so overall costs per capita are lower so they must be doing something right?Jaroon said:
No such thing as rehabilitation per se. With caviates, If prison is so intolerable that as a dererrent the fear of receiving the the same treatment will prevent reoffendng is the only way incarceration works beyond the short term have them off the streets situation.
What if no-one gives the rehabilitated offender a job? What good is the rehabilitation?
This is the big issue and if you follow the news you'll have seen a few initiatives recently.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/04/03/ja...
BTW most criminals commit crime with the thought that they won't be caught therefore it's somewhat immaterial how good or bad prisons are.
CloaK said:
What if no-one gives the rehabilitated offender a job?
What good is the rehabilitation?
This is the big issue and if you follow the news you'll have seen a few initiatives recently.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/04/03/ja...
BTW most criminals commit crime with the thought that they won't be caught therefore it's somewhat immaterial how good or bad prisons are.
The job thing is a great point, a wee bit of research suggests a large cultural shift would be required for the reintegration of offenders. Again, Norway seems to do well here if memory serves What good is the rehabilitation?
This is the big issue and if you follow the news you'll have seen a few initiatives recently.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/04/03/ja...
BTW most criminals commit crime with the thought that they won't be caught therefore it's somewhat immaterial how good or bad prisons are.
How can you argue with such a superb opening post?
Please show your workings.Repeat offending usually results in longer sentences. Repeat offending costs more in the long-term.
Apparently 20% vs 70% re-offending rate within 5 years.
loafer123 said:
biggbn said:
loafer123 said:
Norway is the gold standard, but costs 3x the US prison per inmate.
A cost worth spending if it means less crime, less victims and less ruined lives.Apparently 20% vs 70% re-offending rate within 5 years.
I work in a prison. You would not believe the training and effort that goes into a rehabilitative culture, but ultimately it can only work if the person themselves wants to change. There is every opportunity and support for those that want to, but some people come in and just refuse to ever co-operate with the staff. Those that do find themselves in a much better place upon release, but for many it's just something that happens between crimes. Those people you'll struggle to ever change.
That's before we start down the route of the men that have mental health issues that we really aren't equipped to deal with, or the many crazy ideas of management that are so far removed from the coal face you wonder what they're thinking of. Personally I'd rather be making an effort to change attitudes and thinking than I would be simply punishing people continuously.
That's before we start down the route of the men that have mental health issues that we really aren't equipped to deal with, or the many crazy ideas of management that are so far removed from the coal face you wonder what they're thinking of. Personally I'd rather be making an effort to change attitudes and thinking than I would be simply punishing people continuously.
Jaroon said:
No such thing as rehabilitation per se. With caviates, If prison is so intolerable that as a dererrent the fear of receiving the the same treatment will prevent reoffendng is the only way incarceration works beyond the short term have them off the streets situation.
That is your opinion sir and you are entitled to it. Others will disagree. It may come as a shock to you but ideas about prison have moved on in the last couple of Centuries.
Ekona said:
I work in a prison. You would not believe the training and effort that goes into a rehabilitative culture, but ultimately it can only work if the person themselves wants to change. There is every opportunity and support for those that want to, but some people come in and just refuse to ever co-operate with the staff. Those that do find themselves in a much better place upon release, but for many it's just something that happens between crimes. Those people you'll struggle to ever change.
That's before we start down the route of the men that have mental health issues that we really aren't equipped to deal with, or the many crazy ideas of management that are so far removed from the coal face you wonder what they're thinking of. Personally I'd rather be making an effort to change attitudes and thinking than I would be simply punishing people continuously.
Thanks for this informative postThat's before we start down the route of the men that have mental health issues that we really aren't equipped to deal with, or the many crazy ideas of management that are so far removed from the coal face you wonder what they're thinking of. Personally I'd rather be making an effort to change attitudes and thinking than I would be simply punishing people continuously.
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