BRINO !!

[powerstroke]

Forget brexit the remainers are going to let us have a slightly rehashed WA ...how generous of them!! ...
Oh and soon we will be Timid Britain or Insipid Britain from empire to a little wet backwater off the coast of Europe
thanks for thinking short term, small and being st my remoaner friends ... enjoy owning it it's festering now !!!

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Always knew you really wanted the empire back.

[Dog Star]

Playing Devil's advocate here.......

Just what mandate is there for a "no deal" crash-out?

The way I see it 52% of those who voted said "leave". We don't actually know how many of those wanted no deal or a WA, as that wasn't on the ballot, but I think we can safely say that not all of the 17.4 million leavers want no-deal.

How many of the remain voters wanted no-deal? (Not a daft question - there will be those who say "if we must leave, then we must really leave")

It strikes me that the hard-core no deal types represent a portion of the people that voted leave. Unfortunately the decision of how we leave is not up to this group - it's now a decision that has to represent everyone.

I voted UKIP for years - at no stage did I ever want a crash out "fk you!" arrangement.

[chrispmartha]

powerstroke said:

Forget brexit the remainers are going to let us have a slightly rehashed WA ...how generous of them!! ...
Oh and soon we will be Timid Britain or Insipid Britain from empire to a little wet backwater off the coast of Europe
thanks for thinking short term, small and being st my remoaner friends ... enjoy owning it it's festering now !!!

Bit early to be drinking, have you been taking advantage of Timmy Wetherspoons reduced Brexit Beers?

[IanJ9375]

chrispmartha said:

Bit early to be drinking, have you been taking advantage of Timmy Wetherspoons reduced Brexit Beers?

Careful drinking his beers - made him look like a homeless Thundercat lol

[poo at Paul's]

Dog Star said:

Playing Devil's advocate here.......

Just what mandate is there for a "no deal" crash-out?

The way I see it 52% of those who voted said "leave". We don't actually know how many of those wanted no deal or a WA, as that wasn't on the ballot, but I think we can safely say that not all of the 17.4 million leavers want no-deal.

How many of the remain voters wanted no-deal? (Not a daft question - there will be those who say "if we must leave, then we must really leave")

It strikes me that the hard-core no deal types represent a portion of the people that voted leave. Unfortunately the decision of how we leave is not up to this group - it's now a decision that has to represent everyone.

I voted UKIP for years - at no stage did I ever want a crash out "fk you!" arrangement.

I see it differently. I recall "No Deal is better than the wrong deal" being said both before and after the vote.
If I decide to divorce my wife, it is a huge decision, and if I can negotiate decent deal and keep some stuff, great, but if she clears me out and I have fk all, so be it, at least I am rid of the witch!
My preference is to keep some stuff, but if she is not willing to agree, the answer is not to stay with the miserable old trout.

(Hypothetical scenario, names have been change to protect the innocent!).

[powerstroke]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Always knew you really wanted the empire back.

Nah .. just don't want to be part of someone else's ...

[banjowilly]

powerstroke said:

Nah .. just don't want to be part of someone else's ...

Unlucky then. Have a croissant, it'll help soak up the breakfast Ruddles,

[Coolbanana]

powerstroke said:

Forget brexit the remainers are going to let us have a slightly rehashed WA ...how generous of them!! ...
Oh and soon we will be Timid Britain or Insipid Britain from empire to a little wet backwater off the coast of Europe
thanks for thinking short term, small and being st my remoaner friends ... enjoy owning it it's festering now !!!

Is this an example of Mr Angry 'triggered'?

Britain hasn't been an Empire for a long time now and if you got your way, possibly wouldn't even be able to call itself 'Britain' anymore.

Little England. Tiny, little England. All alone. Aw. But don't worry, Remainers are giving it a jolly good go over there to save you from yourself (albeit not from whatever drink or medication issue prompted your post, I mean seriously?).

Yeah, TM's WA does stand a chance of returning - like various other possible solutions or outcomes - with only slight modifications and being accepted by HoC. It should have been accepted originally by Leavers and all the uncertainty and mess that followed avoided. It could well be the only chance at an actual Brexit you get. The EU doesn't trust you. Likewise, you don't trust them. One of you has to extend trust or Remainers will continue to Democratically fight on and could well see Article 50 revoked altogether.

Brexit is a real 'popcorn' event watching the two sides have at each other. Thing is, practical solutions exist for an orderly Brexit, just neither side wants to trust the other to achieve them and bad Politics rules the day.

[powerstroke]

Dog Star said:

Playing Devil's advocate here.......

Just what mandate is there for a "no deal" crash-out?

The way I see it 52% of those who voted said "leave". We don't actually know how many of those wanted no deal or a WA, as that wasn't on the ballot, but I think we can safely say that not all of the 17.4 million leavers want no-deal.

How many of the remain voters wanted no-deal? (Not a daft question - there will be those who say "if we must leave, then we must really leave")

It strikes me that the hard-core no deal types represent a portion of the people that voted leave. Unfortunately the decision of how we leave is not up to this group - it's now a decision that has to represent everyone.

I voted UKIP for years - at no stage did I ever want a crash out "fk you!" arrangement.

Depends who you choose to believe !! one mans crash out is a clean brexit with endless positives , to others the end of their gravy train ...

[Derek Smith]

powerstroke said:

Forget brexit the remainers are going to let us have a slightly rehashed WA ...how generous of them!! ...
Oh and soon we will be Timid Britain or Insipid Britain from empire to a little wet backwater off the coast of Europe
thanks for thinking short term, small and being st my remoaner friends ... enjoy owning it it's festering now !!!

What's this 'remoaner'. It is pathetic. It is an affectation by some of you hard brexitears, crying that you are not going to get what you want.

If you followed the campaign for leave, you will have noticed that there was no mention of a hard brexit. In fact Johnson gave us all sorts of options, like Norway, Iceland and some other country. It is fair to say that those with a bit of sense did not believe him, but he avoided the hard brexit is best stance that he seems to have assumed now.

No one voted for a hard brexit. Of course they didn't. They might have hoped that their vote to leave would lead to one, but all it was was a wet dream.

Uncross your fingers and accept that democracy doesn't mean always getting your own way.

[powerstroke]

Coolbanana said:

powerstroke said:

Forget brexit the remainers are going to let us have a slightly rehashed WA ...how generous of them!! ...
Oh and soon we will be Timid Britain or Insipid Britain from empire to a little wet backwater off the coast of Europe
thanks for thinking short term, small and being st my remoaner friends ... enjoy owning it it's festering now !!!

Is this an example of Mr Angry 'triggered'?

Britain hasn't been an Empire for a long time now and if you got your way, possibly wouldn't even be able to call itself 'Britain' anymore.

Little England. Tiny, little England. All alone. Aw. But don't worry, Remainers are giving it a jolly good go over there to save you from yourself (albeit not from whatever drink or medication issue prompted your post, I mean seriously?).

Yeah, TM's WA does stand a chance of returning - like various other possible solutions or outcomes - with only slight modifications and being accepted by HoC. It should have been accepted originally by Leavers and all the uncertainty and mess that followed avoided. It could well be the only chance at an actual Brexit you get. The EU doesn't trust you. Likewise, you don't trust them. One of you has to extend trust or Remainers will continue to Democratically fight on and could well see Article 50 revoked altogether.

Brexit is a real 'popcorn' event watching the two sides have at each other. Thing is, practical solutions exist for an orderly Brexit, just neither side wants to trust the other to achieve them and bad Politics rules the day.

Maybe Boris will pull the tories back from the brink and do a deal with Nigel or maybe not ...
I'm just disappointed that divisions over europe seem to be fully ingrained in our politics ,
if leaving The EU was so bad you would think the europhiles would play the long game and let leave have their way
and then say told you so and then be the heroes that save the day and get us back in ...
Anyway I'm taking steps to mitigate personal damage from a labour government don't really give two hoots now , will no longer vote for the least worst option anymore either ...

[Sheepshanks]

Dog Star said:

The way I see it 52% of those who voted said "leave". We don't actually know how many of those wanted no deal or a WA, as that wasn't on the ballot, but I think we can safely say that not all of the 17.4 million leavers want no-deal.

How many of the remain voters wanted no-deal? (Not a daft question - there will be those who say "if we must leave, then we must really leave")

I've asked people about this and most say they thought we would just leave - ie a very hard Brexit. Ask them what happens about trade, flights etc etc and they have no idea as they never thought about it.

[vonuber]

powerstroke said:

Oh and soon we will be Timid Britain or Insipid Britain from empire to a little wet backwater off the coast of Europe

Er... where have you been for the last 70 years?
We are at best a medium sized power, punching above our weight mainly due to history.

[poo at Paul's]

Sheepshanks said:

Dog Star said:

The way I see it 52% of those who voted said "leave". We don't actually know how many of those wanted no deal or a WA, as that wasn't on the ballot, but I think we can safely say that not all of the 17.4 million leavers want no-deal.

How many of the remain voters wanted no-deal? (Not a daft question - there will be those who say "if we must leave, then we must really leave")

I've asked people about this and most say they thought we would just leave - ie a very hard Brexit. Ask them what happens about trade, flights etc etc and they have no idea as they never thought about it.

BY Dog star's logic, 48% wanted to stay, but who is to say they wanted to stay and keep the status quo. We now have "lets stay and reform from within" being spouted by remainers. Well, we tried that, for many many years, and Cameron went cap in hand to get a better deal in Feb 16 and they gave him fk all, the govt voted against it and we had the referendum, which was simply, stay, or go.

EU has shown itself to not want to negotiate anything, so there seems little option than to walk.

[banjowilly]

poo at Paul's said:

Cameron went cap in hand to get a better deal in Feb 16 and they gave him fk all,

This is untrue.

[rscott]

Derek Smith said:

powerstroke said:

Forget brexit the remainers are going to let us have a slightly rehashed WA ...how generous of them!! ...
Oh and soon we will be Timid Britain or Insipid Britain from empire to a little wet backwater off the coast of Europe
thanks for thinking short term, small and being st my remoaner friends ... enjoy owning it it's festering now !!!

What's this 'remoaner'. It is pathetic. It is an affectation by some of you hard brexitears, crying that you are not going to get what you want.

If you followed the campaign for leave, you will have noticed that there was no mention of a hard brexit. In fact Johnson gave us all sorts of options, like Norway, Iceland and some other country. It is fair to say that those with a bit of sense did not believe him, but he avoided the hard brexit is best stance that he seems to have assumed now.

No one voted for a hard brexit. Of course they didn't. They might have hoped that their vote to leave would lead to one, but all it was was a wet dream.

Uncross your fingers and accept that democracy doesn't mean always getting your own way.

Yes, there are Remoaners - the extreme remainers, but they're in a minority. There seem to be more Brextremists though, like the OP, who just want out, don't care about the details, think leaving will give us back the Empire and we'll rule the world again.

[catso]

Dog Star said:

I voted UKIP for years - at no stage did I ever want a crash out "fk you!" arrangement.

Then why vote for UKIP?

[dai1983]

chrispmartha said:

Bit early to be drinking, have you been taking advantage of Timmy Wetherspoons reduced Brexit Beers?

But 12 and get one free!

[230TE]

vonuber said:

Er... where have you been for the last 70 years?
We are at best a medium sized power, punching above our weight mainly due to history.

I wouldn't entirely agree with that. There are many things this country is unusually good at by global standards, from high-tech engineering to financial services. But one of the reasons the UK has been so successful for so long (IMHO) is our tradition of political stability. This is now bksed and may take some time to return. Would you want to do business in a country where Parliament, Government and voters have spent the last year in a three-way catfight which shows no sign of ending? I wouldn't.