Labour Party Conference 2019
Discussion
Having seen some of the coverage I feel that this is one of the greatest conferences of recent times.
So far it looks as if Labour will abolish Grammar schools and reduce Ofsteds powers to meddle in the affairs of schools as they valiantly try to improve their issues.
Yesterday I saw a very pleasant young man called Luke Agnew who proudly told the conference that he left school at 16 with no qualifications
He secured a job at the council and got the benefits of good wages and a pension. Then the council started selling off services to outside bidders and he lost his job.
That inspired him to engage in politics and wants everything returned to public ownership including the water industry the railways the gas and the leccy
It was one of many inspiring appearances by genuine people who just want the best for themselves and nothing.
Watching them appear and stand at the lectern was a true inspiration. Unfortunately some had to go away as they had called the wrong people on the wrong amendment. Then some seemed to have vanished . It was politics in motion.
So far it looks as if Labour will abolish Grammar schools and reduce Ofsteds powers to meddle in the affairs of schools as they valiantly try to improve their issues.
Yesterday I saw a very pleasant young man called Luke Agnew who proudly told the conference that he left school at 16 with no qualifications
He secured a job at the council and got the benefits of good wages and a pension. Then the council started selling off services to outside bidders and he lost his job.
That inspired him to engage in politics and wants everything returned to public ownership including the water industry the railways the gas and the leccy
It was one of many inspiring appearances by genuine people who just want the best for themselves and nothing.
Watching them appear and stand at the lectern was a true inspiration. Unfortunately some had to go away as they had called the wrong people on the wrong amendment. Then some seemed to have vanished . It was politics in motion.
Poppiecock said:
There is a very good case for strategic resources like water, gas, electric and public transport to be held by local authorities and / or the national government.
Instead, we have EU governments owning our infrastructure, whilst we've voted to leave the EU.
And quite a few Canadian and Australian pension funds tbf. Instead, we have EU governments owning our infrastructure, whilst we've voted to leave the EU.
techiedave said:
JulianHJ said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
I am there.
You're there because you're an active party member, or for some other reason?But whatever his reasons, to be near to the likes of Abott, Rayner , Cooper and the deightful Shami is overpowering
ClaphamGT3 said:
techiedave said:
JulianHJ said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
I am there.
You're there because you're an active party member, or for some other reason?But whatever his reasons, to be near to the likes of Abott, Rayner , Cooper and the deightful Shami is overpowering
He comes across as simply aching to become Labour leader.
REALIST123 said:
Poppiecock said:
There is a very good case for strategic resources like water, gas, electric and public transport to be held by local authorities and / or the national government.
.
Go on then, make the case. .
We have been lucky to have seen a very peaceful Europe since the 2nd World War. Some of this may or may not be down to the influence of the EU.
However, should this change, do you really want a combative government to hold control of resources of national importance? Our utilities could be used to leverage some kind of influence over us and / or just be turned off, meaning we've have to turn to the military to get that control back.
You may say this could never happen - but how can you be so sure?
This is before even getting into the discussion that UK bill payers are subsidising the utilities in the home countries of those nations who own or partly own ours. Why should a UK customer be a profit centre for a German or French utility company (many of whom are at least partly government owned)? - I personally believe that utilities and public transport should be not for profit (as the water companies are) - but if you do want to profit out of them, that profit should be for the UK government, not another EU nation.
(And I say this as a very staunch Europhile)
dazwalsh said:
Which all sounds all rosey and wonderful until you realise how crippled these industries are when under public ownership. They would receive f
k all investment.
Plus what would be the figure needed to Nationalise everything.
They're under partial public ownership now. The minor issue is that it's not our public ownership.k all investment.Plus what would be the figure needed to Nationalise everything.
Poppiecock said:
REALIST123 said:
Poppiecock said:
There is a very good case for strategic resources like water, gas, electric and public transport to be held by local authorities and / or the national government.
.
Go on then, make the case. .
We have been lucky to have seen a very peaceful Europe since the 2nd World War. Some of this may or may not be down to the influence of the EU.
However, should this change, do you really want a combative government to hold control of resources of national importance? Our utilities could be used to leverage some kind of influence over us and / or just be turned off, meaning we've have to turn to the military to get that control back.
You may say this could never happen - but how can you be so sure?
This is before even getting into the discussion that UK bill payers are subsidising the utilities in the home countries of those nations who own or partly own ours. Why should a UK customer be a profit centre for a German or French utility company (many of whom are at least partly government owned)? - I personally believe that utilities and public transport should be not for profit (as the water companies are) - but if you do want to profit out of them, that profit should be for the UK government, not another EU nation.
(And I say this as a very staunch Europhile)
But you said:
“There is a very good case for strategic resources like water, gas, electric and public transport to be held by local authorities and / or the national government.”
So let’s hear it.
REALIST123 said:
That’s not even half a case. You’ve just argued that the utilities shouldn’t be foreign owned. I agree with that, and if we hadn’t allowed the EU to mutate as it has it would never have happened.
But you said:
“There is a very good case for strategic resources like water, gas, electric and public transport to be held by local authorities and / or the national government.”
So let’s hear it.
Are you hard of thinking or just can't comprehend what I wrote?But you said:
“There is a very good case for strategic resources like water, gas, electric and public transport to be held by local authorities and / or the national government.”
So let’s hear it.
Have they gone completely insane?
They want to confiscate all assets from private schools and integrate them into state schools. They also want to cap private school admissions to university at 7%.
That would sound pretty outrageous coming out of Cuba or Russia, let alone the Labour party.
And I was poorly educated in a terrible comprehensive.
Abolishing their charitable status I could just about get on board with.
They want to confiscate all assets from private schools and integrate them into state schools. They also want to cap private school admissions to university at 7%.
That would sound pretty outrageous coming out of Cuba or Russia, let alone the Labour party.
And I was poorly educated in a terrible comprehensive.
Abolishing their charitable status I could just about get on board with.
ChocolateFrog said:
Have they gone completely insane?
"I've been fking mad for fking years" springs to mind. This is what happens when you give too much authority to the grassroots members who are on average barking mad.Politics needs to be led. Ask me for my support, don't ask me what you should do. Because I'll say that the answer to the country's problems is bigger Toblerones because I'm a grassroot member of the party and I'm a f
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