"Let us be Heard" Nonsense

[Mr Tidy]

I had a leaflet posted through my front door yesterday looking for support for a "People's (sic) Vote March on 19 October - so fundamentally a protest by Remainers who didn't get their way.

We had a referendum, they lost - FFS why can't we just get on and leave. Isn't that how a democracy is supposed to work?

[Scabutz]

I was thinking of putting some "no more Brexit threads on PH " leaflets through some doors.

[Ridgemont]

To misquote Bercow:

‘LOCK!’

[EarlofDrift]

The main problem with Labour and the Lib Dims is that they are full of what I like to call the irrational left.

These people have no time for debating issues in a sensible manner but just like to shout their point over every other person. They believe that by shouting louder and for longer it makes their opinion even more valid.

So it's no surprise they are stamping all over the original EU referendum result. If they had ten of twenty votes all in favour of Leave, they still wouldn't accept it.

The only result they will accept would to Revoke Article 50 to go back to the status quo of being enslaved by EU rules and regulations. And you can bet your life it would be ten times worse than before. We would end up right back at the bottom with all the minion nations.

A majority of over 1 million voted Leave, 17.4 million to be precise. So enough of the nonsense and just get on with it and get out. It's not leaving that would cause Chao it's the constant fear mongering from the leftie media that's causing uncertainty.

[Derek Smith]

Mr Tidy said:

I had a leaflet posted through my front door yesterday looking for support for a "People's (sic) Vote March on 19 October - so fundamentally a protest by Remainers who didn't get their way.

We had a referendum, they lost - FFS why can't we just get on and leave. Isn't that how a democracy is supposed to work?

Why put People's (sic)? It's tempting to put (sic) after it, or, more properly, [sic]. There could also be one after October of course. Is it to suggest that it should have an apostrophe after the s? If so, then that is incorrect.

People is a plural noun. It's a lovely one as it can also be pluralised, e.g. all the peoples of the world, and still be grammatically correct. It is clear that, in this case, the people referred to are a homogeneous group, so people is correct. Therefore, people's vote is also correct.

More to the point, this is another brexit thread. Haven't we got enough already?

[Johnnytheboy]

Mr Tidy said:

I had a leaflet posted through my front door yesterday looking for support for a "People's (sic) Vote March on 19 October - so fundamentally a protest by Remainers who didn't get their way.

We had a referendum, they lost - FFS why can't we just get on and leave. Isn't that how a democracy is supposed to work?

I knew as soon as I saw "Let us be Heard" in your title it would be someone wanting their own form of democracy.

Apart from anything else, it would take months to determine the question (or questions) for a referendum 'People's Vote'.

Let's have a GE on October 19 instead. Then we can really make our feelings known.

[Nexus Icon]

The problem is that the Brexit we were sold 3 years ago is clearly not what we're getting now.

I think it's fair to ask, "Are you sure?" before we jump off the cliff and start building our wings on the way down.

[Liokault]

Nexus Icon said:

The problem is that the Brexit we were sold 3 years ago is clearly not what we're getting now.

I think it's fair to ask, "Are you sure?" before we jump off the cliff and start building our wings on the way down.

What Brexit were we sold three years ago? The only problem we have is the hijacking of any actual option to leave, by the people who say they are giving us a choice, but are actually determined to never leave.

[Johnnytheboy]

Nexus Icon said:

The problem is that the Brexit we were sold 3 years ago is clearly not what we're getting now.

I think it's fair to ask, "Are you sure?" before we jump off the cliff and start building our wings on the way down.

I seem to recall being asked a fairly straightforward question:



And the top box came second.

What we weren't sold is the kind of BRINO deal Mrs May was trying to get through - if it was a binary choice between her deal and no deal, I could see why a second referendum might be apt.

But staying in the EU was ruled out last time, as I expect you'll remember.

[Derek Smith]

Johnnytheboy said:

Nexus Icon said:

The problem is that the Brexit we were sold 3 years ago is clearly not what we're getting now.

I think it's fair to ask, "Are you sure?" before we jump off the cliff and start building our wings on the way down.

I seem to recall being asked a fairly straightforward question:



And the top box came second.

What we weren't sold is the kind of BRINO deal Mrs May was trying to get through - if it was a binary choice between her deal and no deal, I could see why a second referendum might be apt.

But staying in the EU was ruled out last time, as I expect you'll remember.

We weren't sold a hard brexit either of course. That was for parliament to decide.

[Johnnytheboy]

Derek Smith said:

We weren't sold a hard brexit either of course. That was for parliament to decide.

"Leave the European Union".

[alfaspecial]

Derek Smith said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Nexus Icon said:

The problem is that the Brexit we were sold 3 years ago is clearly not what we're getting now.

I think it's fair to ask, "Are you sure?" before we jump off the cliff and start building our wings on the way down.

I seem to recall being asked a fairly straightforward question:



And the top box came second.

What we weren't sold is the kind of BRINO deal Mrs May was trying to get through - if it was a binary choice between her deal and no deal, I could see why a second referendum might be apt.

But staying in the EU was ruled out last time, as I expect you'll remember.

We weren't sold a hard brexit either of course. That was for parliament to decide.

The Remain side spent £9m of taxpayers funds telling us the downsides of leaving. But we voted Leave anyway.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Quote

Voting to leave the EU would
create years of uncertainty and
potential economic disruption.
This would reduce investment
and cost jobs.
The Government judges it could
result in 10 years or more of
uncertainty as the UK unpicks
our relationship with the EU and
renegotiates new arrangements
with the EU and over 50 other
countries around the world.
Some argue that we could
strike a good deal quickly with
the EU because they want to
keep access to our market.
But the Government’s
judgement is that it would be
much harder than that – less
than 8% of EU exports come
to the UK while 44% of UK
exports go to the EU.
No other country has
managed to secure
significant access to the
Single Market, without
having to:
• follow EU rules over which
they have no real say
• pay into the EU
• accept EU citizens living
and working in their country
A more limited trade deal
with the EU would give the
UK less access to the Single
Market than we have now –
including for services, which
make up almost 80% of the
UK economy.




AND

A once in a generation decision
The referendum on Thursday,
23rd June is your chance to
decide if we should remain in
or leave the European Union.
The Government believes it
is in the best interests of
the UK to remain in the EU.
This is the way to protect
jobs, provide security, and
strengthen the UK’s economy
for every family in this country
– a clear path into the future,
in contrast to the uncertainty
of leaving.
[b] This is your decision. The
Government will implement
what you decide.[/b]

Edited by alfaspecial on Tuesday 24th September 08:32

[pubrunner]

Derek Smith said:

We weren't sold a hard brexit either of course. That was for parliament to decide.

But surely though, a 'hard' or no deal brexit, will exist only at the point in time of leaving with no deal, following which, we would be able to make deals.

[Derek Smith]

Johnnytheboy said:

"Leave the European Union".

It's a sentence, but it means little on its own.

I'm quite happy to accept that we leave with a deal. We voted, my side lost, so fair enough. However, what has irritated me is this nonsensical 'leave means leave' mantra. Everyone knows, even those who post such rubbish, that hard brexit was not pushed as the only/main/likely meaning of leave. Further, the great leader of the leavers, one Johnson, promised the Norwegian option, plus pluses. Or Iceland. Or Canada, but not, most decidedly, a hard brexit. Norway, Iceland and Canada were touted as leave, and I would assume that some people believed they were voting for these as leave.

Leave means leave is a lie. It's a Humpty Dumpty word.

Get a grip and admit that leave meant deal as the main result of a vote to leave.

Quite apart for that, if we did, gods forbid, have a hard brexit, the following day we'd be knocking on the EU's door for a trade deal. Obviously we would. Any other suggestion is fantasy.

[Johnnytheboy]

Derek Smith said:

It's a sentence, but it means little on its own.

I'm quite happy to accept that we leave with a deal. We voted, my side lost, so fair enough. However, what has irritated me is this nonsensical 'leave means leave' mantra. Everyone knows, even those who post such rubbish, that hard brexit was not pushed as the only/main/likely meaning of leave. Further, the great leader of the leavers, one Johnson, promised the Norwegian option, plus pluses. Or Iceland. Or Canada, but not, most decidedly, a hard brexit. Norway, Iceland and Canada were touted as leave, and I would assume that some people believed they were voting for these as leave.

Leave means leave is a lie. It's a Humpty Dumpty word.

Get a grip and admit that leave meant deal as the main result of a vote to leave.

Quite apart for that, if we did, gods forbid, have a hard brexit, the following day we'd be knocking on the EU's door for a trade deal. Obviously we would. Any other suggestion is fantasy.

OK, so you admit that Remain lost, that's a start.

So if we are going to have a "people's vote" I assume it'll be a binary choice between the WDA and No Deal, correct?

[Coolbanana]

Mr Tidy said:

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We had a referendum, they lost - FFS why can't we just get on and leave. Isn't that how a democracy is supposed to work?

Democracy did not end with the Referendum. 3 years on and still so many in the UK refuse to accept how Democracy actually works and that a Referendum does not have to be delivered at all, despite what a Politician might have told you.

[amusingduck]

Derek Smith said:

However, what has irritated me is this nonsensical 'leave means leave' mantra.

Derek Smith said:

I'm quite happy to accept that we leave with a deal.

Happy with the nonsensical "leave with a deal" mantra though, eh? Despite the EU not allowing us to negotiate a deal until we've actually left.

[Derek Smith]

Johnnytheboy said:

OK, so you admit that Remain lost, that's a start.

So if we are going to have a "people's vote" I assume it'll be a binary choice between the WDA and No Deal, correct?

Oh, very droll. I don't admit. I stated.

I didn't refer to a people's vote. I stated that those who suggest leave means only a hard brexit are the ones who are in denial.

[Biker 1]

Oh not this argument AGAIN FFS! Its been done to death!!!!