Discussion
Initforthemoney said:
Just listening to Dick Vine on R2 and the discussion is child birth.
However, rather than using the common term of ‘natural birth’, we are now using the phrase ‘vaginal birth’.
Really??
'Natural' implies whale music/no drugs/medical interventions; 'vaginal birth' includes forceps/ventouse/epidurals etc.However, rather than using the common term of ‘natural birth’, we are now using the phrase ‘vaginal birth’.
Really??
NoddyonNitrous said:
Initforthemoney said:
Just listening to Dick Vine on R2 and the discussion is child birth.
However, rather than using the common term of ‘natural birth’, we are now using the phrase ‘vaginal birth’.
Really??
'Natural' implies whale music/no drugs/medical interventions; 'vaginal birth' includes forceps/ventouse/epidurals etc.However, rather than using the common term of ‘natural birth’, we are now using the phrase ‘vaginal birth’.
Really??
Just surprised me when I first heard Mr Vine say it.
Sounded a bit weird.
Initforthemoney said:
Just listening to Dick Vine on R2 and the discussion is child birth.
However, rather than using the common term of ‘natural birth’, we are now using the phrase ‘vaginal birth’.
Really??
I reckon there was some sort of sweepstake going on in the production office, who could guess the number of times the Troll-Vine could say 'vaginal'However, rather than using the common term of ‘natural birth’, we are now using the phrase ‘vaginal birth’.
Really??
Cantaloupe said:
I'm thinking as it's the BBC, obviously the old terms were offensive to a minority ?
Maybe trans-women who don't have a vagina per se ?
Would imagine it's primarily because it's factually correct - perhaps with it more clearly differentiating between vaginal and cesarean as a secondary consideration.Maybe trans-women who don't have a vagina per se ?
SIL in law is a midwife. She is here for tea so this made a nice discussion after soup before the lamb casserole.
She reckons terms are:
Natural birth is no intervention to the mother (no epidurals forceps etc).
Assisted birth uses medication, tools, hands etc.
C-Sections and T-Sections are called as such.
She has never heard the expression vaginal birth. Though she has heard a few stories claiming virgin births!
Mind you her stories about women (not trying to be sexist here, but she says almost all of her patients in 30 years, if not all, have been women - apologies - I've been on HR cultural diversity training today so now we have to state why we use a gender pronoun).
She has a wealth of stories about vagazzles, shaving injuries, impressively sized butchers flaps, pre birth routines, birthing at home etc but she did say in the context of JV today, the best one that she'd had was a poor lady who'd had severe back pain in the last couple of weeks and had been on ever increasing painkillers.
During the approach to the "assisted birth" she gave a big push when asked and screamed and then breathed a sigh of relief "what sex is it".
The child was still in the birth canal. She'd just passed about 5 lbs of constipated rock hard jobbie out her "anal birth passage" (followed by a lot of brown gracy). *
She did to be fair whilst on the wards the next few days make big of it and that that had hurt her bottom more than giving birth via her vag (SIL reckoned there wasn't that much difference in size either!)!
She reckons terms are:
Natural birth is no intervention to the mother (no epidurals forceps etc).
Assisted birth uses medication, tools, hands etc.
C-Sections and T-Sections are called as such.
She has never heard the expression vaginal birth. Though she has heard a few stories claiming virgin births!
Mind you her stories about women (not trying to be sexist here, but she says almost all of her patients in 30 years, if not all, have been women - apologies - I've been on HR cultural diversity training today so now we have to state why we use a gender pronoun).
She has a wealth of stories about vagazzles, shaving injuries, impressively sized butchers flaps, pre birth routines, birthing at home etc but she did say in the context of JV today, the best one that she'd had was a poor lady who'd had severe back pain in the last couple of weeks and had been on ever increasing painkillers.
During the approach to the "assisted birth" she gave a big push when asked and screamed and then breathed a sigh of relief "what sex is it".
The child was still in the birth canal. She'd just passed about 5 lbs of constipated rock hard jobbie out her "anal birth passage" (followed by a lot of brown gracy). *
She did to be fair whilst on the wards the next few days make big of it and that that had hurt her bottom more than giving birth via her vag (SIL reckoned there wasn't that much difference in size either!)!
- meant to say brown gravy in case anyone mistook the jobbie to named as a girl, "brown Gracy".
Edited by StanleyT on Wednesday 25th September 21:18
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