Conservatives to force large wage rises on businesses
Discussion
Plans to raise national living wage to £10.50 one of the highest in the world, and lower the age to 21!
The Federation of small businesses say it will make many small firms unviable.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7520929/C...
They really are going down the pan as a party.
The Federation of small businesses say it will make many small firms unviable.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7520929/C...
They really are going down the pan as a party.
k business.”ScotHill said:
People said this when Labour brought in the minimum wage but it worked fine. Increase minimum/living wage and decrease/get rid of tax credits.
I cannot disagree.We need to ensure a wage on which they can live and raise a family. The state should not be subsidising this.
On the other side, we need to ensure business taxes are reduced.
Hopefully we will weed out those businesses that rely on subsidised labour.
ScotHill said:
People said this when Labour brought in the minimum wage but it worked fine. Increase minimum/living wage and decrease/get rid of tax credits.
This. Personally I think living wage should be conservative policy. Make work pay, make people independent and stop subsidies to businesses workforce through tax credits.ScotHill said:
People said this when Labour brought in the minimum wage but it worked fine. Increase minimum/living wage and decrease/get rid of tax credits.
Absolutely, the tax payer should not be subsidising business through tax credits. Sooner the better,it will also have the effect of business becoming more efficient looking for its value from higher paid employees.
ScotHill said:
People said this when Labour brought in the minimum wage but it worked fine. Increase minimum/living wage and decrease/get rid of tax credits.
When it was introduced, and then every time it goes up, we're told that it will decimate businesses and crash the economy - and each time these predictions are incorrect.
booboise blueboys said:
Plans to raise national living wage to £10.50 one of the highest in the world, and lower the age to 21!
The Federation of small businesses say it will make many small firms unviable.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7520929/C...
They really are going down the pan as a party.
Is it in the party's election manifesto? Is that story in the Daily Mail? I'm ignoring it as it'll never happen, then.The Federation of small businesses say it will make many small firms unviable.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7520929/C...
They really are going down the pan as a party.
rough estimate that is £21k, so you get that for pushing trolleys around, stacking box's making coffee, flipping burgers etc. I don't think it will decimate business I suspect it will drive inflation. Which will mean your burger technologist will still find his or her McPaypacket does not go as far as they hope at the end of each month.
paulguitar said:
Amazing way to phrase this, OP!
How about:
'Minimum wage to move closer to vaguely acceptable level'?
It's well known that most on here are well-built company directors but how about sparing a thought for those who work but are less well off, eh?
This, love the use of weasel words to put a particular slant on a story. In other news, is this and the proposed increase in pensions evidence that the guberment is embarking on a charm to offensive to win hearts and minds (and pockets) in the event of a General Election?How about:
'Minimum wage to move closer to vaguely acceptable level'?
It's well known that most on here are well-built company directors but how about sparing a thought for those who work but are less well off, eh?
crankedup said:
ScotHill said:
People said this when Labour brought in the minimum wage but it worked fine. Increase minimum/living wage and decrease/get rid of tax credits.
Absolutely, the tax payer should not be subsidising business through tax credits. Sooner the better,it will also have the effect of business becoming more efficient looking for its value from higher paid employees.
Why doesn't it apply to 18yr olds!?
Would someone working 40 hours a week on this wage no longer qualify for state assistance for housing?
Would someone working 40 hours a week on this wage no longer qualify for state assistance for housing?
red_slr said:
But the living wage is not the minimum wage, so its basically optional is it not?
The "Living Wage" is the minimum wage for over 25s. It's not the real living wage.Pothole said:
Also the article says it will affect 4m people. Out of a workforce of about 27m. Doesn't look like the effect will be enormous. Specific businesses will have to do some hard thinking, but most won't.
Until those who are on 12 pounds an hour push to keep the differential and so it will roll up the pay scale.when warehouse guys are earning the same as hgv drivers why bother with the stress of driving a truck when you can push pallets around a warehouse for the same money and be home every night and not have the worry of some idiot jumping off of a bridge in front of you on the motorway?
That's exactly me, I earn about 13 quid an hour and have to manage the people below me, with all the associated aggro.
I won't get a pay rise proportional to the increases in living wage (judging by evidence so fa) so there will come a point where I can't be arsed with the extra work for such small extra pay.
Mind you, what my firm do will probably become unaffordable for most customers or we will wind it up as unprofitable by then anyway.
I won't get a pay rise proportional to the increases in living wage (judging by evidence so fa) so there will come a point where I can't be arsed with the extra work for such small extra pay.
Mind you, what my firm do will probably become unaffordable for most customers or we will wind it up as unprofitable by then anyway.
I wonder what knock on effect this will have to previously skilled professions that have undergone wage stagnation in recent years. The previous run of minimum wage increases have had little effect on these professions, this increase will see minimum rise to meet the wages of such jobs.
Will we see the likes of lorry drivers & junior engineers being on pretty much the minimum, or 'minimum plus 1' just as the supermarkets seem to strive for.
when warehouse guys are earning the same as hgv drivers why bother with the stress of driving a truck when you can push pallets around a warehouse for the same money and be home every night and not have the worry of some idiot jumping off of a bridge in front of you on the motorway?This hasn't happened though has it, currently 3.5ton delivery drivers are on the same rate as folk sitting behind a till, with all the extra risk(s) involved in that line of work. Yet people trundle on. Hell, we have entities actively trying to equalise the wage rates of 'easy'/low risk jobs with more physically difficult/high risk ones. Asda was hit by a big law suit just last year for paying their warehouse staff, and drivers £1 more per hour than shop floor staff, courts managed to argue that paying more for harder work was sexist. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/asda-shopfloor-workers-win-equal-pay-case-court-of-appeal-gender-a8756221.html)
Will we see the likes of lorry drivers & junior engineers being on pretty much the minimum, or 'minimum plus 1' just as the supermarkets seem to strive for.
citizensm1th said:
Pothole said:
Also the article says it will affect 4m people. Out of a workforce of about 27m. Doesn't look like the effect will be enormous. Specific businesses will have to do some hard thinking, but most won't.
Until those who are on 12 pounds an hour push to keep the differential and so it will roll up the pay scale.when warehouse guys are earning the same as hgv drivers why bother with the stress of driving a truck when you can push pallets around a warehouse for the same money and be home every night and not have the worry of some idiot jumping off of a bridge in front of you on the motorway?
Edited by caelite on Monday 30th September 20:11
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