British man who fought IS guilty of terror charge
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British man who fought against IS guilty of terrorism charge
EDIT: updated article with more detail
From the updated article, I'm not sure why he was prosecuted when other British people who had done the same thing were not prosecuted.
I know he attended a terrorist training camp, but I hope the sentence is not to harsh on him. I think he is on the right side of history, even if he would've ended up fighting for the PKK.
EDIT: updated article with more detail
From the updated article, I'm not sure why he was prosecuted when other British people who had done the same thing were not prosecuted.
I know he attended a terrorist training camp, but I hope the sentence is not to harsh on him. I think he is on the right side of history, even if he would've ended up fighting for the PKK.
Edited by hifihigh on Thursday 24th October 21:57
I had an uncle who part of the International Brigade, which fought against Franco and the Germans and other non-Spanish. A hero of mine. He was threatened with all sorts of punishment, including being stripped of his citizenship.
He didn't do any shooting, but sailed a ship over to the north coast of Spain, where it was bombed by Germans. Good training for later, when he went on the North Atlantic convoys during the war, and then volunteered for the Murmansk runs, being on QP16.
What's classified as terrorism can be a matter of dates. It's best to see what the person or persons have done.
He didn't do any shooting, but sailed a ship over to the north coast of Spain, where it was bombed by Germans. Good training for later, when he went on the North Atlantic convoys during the war, and then volunteered for the Murmansk runs, being on QP16.
What's classified as terrorism can be a matter of dates. It's best to see what the person or persons have done.
SpeckledJim said:
Almost my uncle but he couldn't grow a beard. On the Murmansk convoys, he wore goggles on deck, but the splashes from the sea used to freeze in the air, then kill the skin when they landed on his face. Just part of the job. His beard became patchy; a badge of honour I thought.He lost a bit of a finger once. He operated a gun on an armed merchantman. A round blocked the gun. He couldn't work on it with all his gloves on and thought that, as he'd been firing the damn thing a few seconds before, it would be warm. So he removed the gloves from his left hand, touched the breech mechanism, and his finger stuck to it with the cold. He tried to unfreeze it by spitting on it, but that froze as well. He was risking frostbite on his whole hand, so pulled his finger off the breech, leaving much of the skin, and finger nail, on it. He went to the sick bay. They took enough of the finger off to ensure that the dead skin from the frostbite was all cut away, abd bandaged it. All done without unaesthetic as he'd lost all feeling in it. He returned to the gun to clear the problem.
The pain was extreme, he said, when he returned to the mess room and thawed out.
I know the granddad/uncle in Only Fools was seen as an object of fun, but I often think that people of my generation and younger should not laugh at the Merchant Navy survivors from the war. There were precious few of them. These fought a real war, with blood, injury, pain, incapacitation, and death.
Not that much to laugh at. I've known few heroes and am especially proud of the one in my family.
Derek Smith said:
SpeckledJim said:
Almost my uncle but he couldn't grow a beard. On the Murmansk convoys, he wore goggles on deck, but the splashes from the sea used to freeze in the air, then kill the skin when they landed on his face. Just part of the job. His beard became patchy; a badge of honour I thought.He lost a bit of a finger once. He operated a gun on an armed merchantman. A round blocked the gun. He couldn't work on it with all his gloves on and thought that, as he'd been firing the damn thing a few seconds before, it would be warm. So he removed the gloves from his left hand, touched the breech mechanism, and his finger stuck to it with the cold. He tried to unfreeze it by spitting on it, but that froze as well. He was risking frostbite on his whole hand, so pulled his finger off the breech, leaving much of the skin, and finger nail, on it. He went to the sick bay. They took enough of the finger off to ensure that the dead skin from the frostbite was all cut away, abd bandaged it. All done without unaesthetic as he'd lost all feeling in it. He returned to the gun to clear the problem.
The pain was extreme, he said, when he returned to the mess room and thawed out.
I know the granddad/uncle in Only Fools was seen as an object of fun, but I often think that people of my generation and younger should not laugh at the Merchant Navy survivors from the war. There were precious few of them. These fought a real war, with blood, injury, pain, incapacitation, and death.
Not that much to laugh at. I've known few heroes and am especially proud of the one in my family.
Derek Smith said:
I know the granddad/uncle in Only Fools was seen as an object of fun, but I often think that people of my generation and younger should not laugh at the Merchant Navy survivors from the war. There were precious few of them. These fought a real war, with blood, injury, pain, incapacitation, and death.
Not that much to laugh at. I've known few heroes and am especially proud of the one in my family.
Yes, when I was younger I found del-boy and rodney rolling their eyes at uncle alberts stories quite funny, but I do have a lot of respect for people who were able to cope with conditions like that.Not that much to laugh at. I've known few heroes and am especially proud of the one in my family.
My grandad joined the army age 15 in 1947(48)? Three years later age 18 he was in Korea. When I think about what I was like when I was 18, there is no way I would've coped physically or mentally with that.
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