Lib / Lab own goal
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I’ve given up trying to make sense of British politics. The electorate and the elected seem to have lost the plot completely.
The only thing preventing a no deal Brexit or a really hard Brexit was the lack of a Tory majority. Yes it is not a done deal that the Conservatives will turn their 20 point lead in the polls into seats, but it is a big gamble on behalf of Labour and the Lib Dems that they won’t. What were they thinking? Are the Lib Dems so desperate for a few seats they are willing to live with no deal/hard Brexit?
Steptoe was outmanoeuvred but then stationary objects would probably have a good run against him. The least electable political leader since Michael Foot. And a Labour Party membership so blind they don’t notice. Do they think opinion polls lie when they say he is rated at just above the level of a bag of cold sick?
Alexander has played a blinder and is now in a perfect position to play his “people vs the establishment” card. Everyone will forget he didn’t get Brexit done (nor died in the ditch) and he will be able to milk the sentiment of the ignorant that leaving means getting it done (rather than the beginning of a long and painful transition period with no certain goal in sight).
I am so glad we emigrated so only have to watch this spectacle from a very long distance. Even better, whilst those back in the UK are trying to deal with s
t weather, the run up to Xmas and the election we will be dusting down the barbie and checking the temperature in our swimming pool.
The only thing preventing a no deal Brexit or a really hard Brexit was the lack of a Tory majority. Yes it is not a done deal that the Conservatives will turn their 20 point lead in the polls into seats, but it is a big gamble on behalf of Labour and the Lib Dems that they won’t. What were they thinking? Are the Lib Dems so desperate for a few seats they are willing to live with no deal/hard Brexit?
Steptoe was outmanoeuvred but then stationary objects would probably have a good run against him. The least electable political leader since Michael Foot. And a Labour Party membership so blind they don’t notice. Do they think opinion polls lie when they say he is rated at just above the level of a bag of cold sick?
Alexander has played a blinder and is now in a perfect position to play his “people vs the establishment” card. Everyone will forget he didn’t get Brexit done (nor died in the ditch) and he will be able to milk the sentiment of the ignorant that leaving means getting it done (rather than the beginning of a long and painful transition period with no certain goal in sight).
I am so glad we emigrated so only have to watch this spectacle from a very long distance. Even better, whilst those back in the UK are trying to deal with s
t weather, the run up to Xmas and the election we will be dusting down the barbie and checking the temperature in our swimming pool. Esceptico said:
I’ve given up trying to make sense of British politics. The electorate and the elected seem to have lost the plot completely.
The only thing preventing a no deal Brexit or a really hard Brexit was the lack of a Tory majority. Yes it is not a done deal that the Conservatives will turn their 20 point lead in the polls into seats, but it is a big gamble on behalf of Labour and the Lib Dems that they won’t. What were they thinking? Are the Lib Dems so desperate for a few seats they are willing to live with no deal/hard Brexit?
Steptoe was outmanoeuvred but then stationary objects would probably have a good run against him. The least electable political leader since Michael Foot. And a Labour Party membership so blind they don’t notice. Do they think opinion polls lie when they say he is rated at just above the level of a bag of cold sick?
Alexander has played a blinder and is now in a perfect position to play his “people vs the establishment” card. Everyone will forget he didn’t get Brexit done (nor died in the ditch) and he will be able to milk the sentiment of the ignorant that leaving means getting it done (rather than the beginning of a long and painful transition period with no certain goal in sight).
I am so glad we emigrated so only have to watch this spectacle from a very long distance. Even better, whilst those back in the UK are trying to deal with st weather, the run up to Xmas and the election we will be dusting down the barbie and checking the temperature in our swimming pool.
The only thing preventing a no deal Brexit or a really hard Brexit was the lack of a Tory majority. Yes it is not a done deal that the Conservatives will turn their 20 point lead in the polls into seats, but it is a big gamble on behalf of Labour and the Lib Dems that they won’t. What were they thinking? Are the Lib Dems so desperate for a few seats they are willing to live with no deal/hard Brexit?
Steptoe was outmanoeuvred but then stationary objects would probably have a good run against him. The least electable political leader since Michael Foot. And a Labour Party membership so blind they don’t notice. Do they think opinion polls lie when they say he is rated at just above the level of a bag of cold sick?
Alexander has played a blinder and is now in a perfect position to play his “people vs the establishment” card. Everyone will forget he didn’t get Brexit done (nor died in the ditch) and he will be able to milk the sentiment of the ignorant that leaving means getting it done (rather than the beginning of a long and painful transition period with no certain goal in sight).
I am so glad we emigrated so only have to watch this spectacle from a very long distance. Even better, whilst those back in the UK are trying to deal with s
t weather, the run up to Xmas and the election we will be dusting down the barbie and checking the temperature in our swimming pool. You need this:
Esceptico said:
I’ve given up trying to make sense of British politics. The electorate and the elected seem to have lost the plot completely.
The only thing preventing a no deal Brexit or a really hard Brexit was the lack of a Tory majority. Yes it is not a done deal that the Conservatives will turn their 20 point lead in the polls into seats, but it is a big gamble on behalf of Labour and the Lib Dems that they won’t. What were they thinking? Are the Lib Dems so desperate for a few seats they are willing to live with no deal/hard Brexit?
Steptoe was outmanoeuvred but then stationary objects would probably have a good run against him. The least electable political leader since Michael Foot. And a Labour Party membership so blind they don’t notice. Do they think opinion polls lie when they say he is rated at just above the level of a bag of cold sick?
Alexander has played a blinder and is now in a perfect position to play his “people vs the establishment” card. Everyone will forget he didn’t get Brexit done (nor died in the ditch) and he will be able to milk the sentiment of the ignorant that leaving means getting it done (rather than the beginning of a long and painful transition period with no certain goal in sight).
I am so glad we emigrated so only have to watch this spectacle from a very long distance. Even better, whilst those back in the UK are trying to deal with st weather, the run up to Xmas and the election we will be dusting down the barbie and checking the temperature in our swimming pool.
Your politicians are better than everyone else's? Where have you moved to; the Moon?The only thing preventing a no deal Brexit or a really hard Brexit was the lack of a Tory majority. Yes it is not a done deal that the Conservatives will turn their 20 point lead in the polls into seats, but it is a big gamble on behalf of Labour and the Lib Dems that they won’t. What were they thinking? Are the Lib Dems so desperate for a few seats they are willing to live with no deal/hard Brexit?
Steptoe was outmanoeuvred but then stationary objects would probably have a good run against him. The least electable political leader since Michael Foot. And a Labour Party membership so blind they don’t notice. Do they think opinion polls lie when they say he is rated at just above the level of a bag of cold sick?
Alexander has played a blinder and is now in a perfect position to play his “people vs the establishment” card. Everyone will forget he didn’t get Brexit done (nor died in the ditch) and he will be able to milk the sentiment of the ignorant that leaving means getting it done (rather than the beginning of a long and painful transition period with no certain goal in sight).
I am so glad we emigrated so only have to watch this spectacle from a very long distance. Even better, whilst those back in the UK are trying to deal with s
t weather, the run up to Xmas and the election we will be dusting down the barbie and checking the temperature in our swimming pool. I'm guessing Australia! They aren't much better there from what I'm aware! I guess its based on our system, so what do you expect, ha ha.
Will the conservatives really be able to turn current opinion poll leads into the seats they need for a majority? I'm not 100% convinced.
Loads of people aren't keen on Corbyn, but at the end of the day they'll get to the polling station and think, I hate the conservatives, and they'll vote Labour, like they always do without thinking too much. Same applies to other parties!
Will the conservatives really be able to turn current opinion poll leads into the seats they need for a majority? I'm not 100% convinced.
Loads of people aren't keen on Corbyn, but at the end of the day they'll get to the polling station and think, I hate the conservatives, and they'll vote Labour, like they always do without thinking too much. Same applies to other parties!
Esceptico said:
I am so glad we emigrated so only have to watch this spectacle from a very long distance. Even better, whilst those back in the UK are trying to deal with st weather, the run up to Xmas and the election we will be dusting down the barbie and checking the temperature in our swimming pool.
Chin up soldier - if things are as good for you as you say, you've got no need to worry about it.t weather, the run up to Xmas and the election we will be dusting down the barbie and checking the temperature in our swimming pool.OP - could you just give me a quick overview of how you managed to be able to emigrate to this seeming paradise - wherever it is you are?
I’m genuinely interested, was it family links, skills, work experience?
Was it a difficult process or just a case of rocking up in the back of a lorry one afternoon?
If it is indeed that beacon of liberalism Australia, do you know how they treat refugees and illegal immigrants from the many poor places not too far from the North?
Enjoy your BBQ, don’t forget the sunscreen and check all your patio furniture for things that will kill ya! Been there, done that, has it’s pros n cons.
I’m genuinely interested, was it family links, skills, work experience?
Was it a difficult process or just a case of rocking up in the back of a lorry one afternoon?
If it is indeed that beacon of liberalism Australia, do you know how they treat refugees and illegal immigrants from the many poor places not too far from the North?
Enjoy your BBQ, don’t forget the sunscreen and check all your patio furniture for things that will kill ya! Been there, done that, has it’s pros n cons.
cml24 said:
I'm guessing Australia! They aren't much better there from what I'm aware! I guess its based on our system, so what do you expect, ha ha.
Will the conservatives really be able to turn current opinion poll leads into the seats they need for a majority? I'm not 100% convinced.
Loads of people aren't keen on Corbyn, but at the end of the day they'll get to the polling station and think, I hate the conservatives, and they'll vote Labour, like they always do without thinking too much. Same applies to other parties!
They've got Malcolm Roberts. I think I'll stick with Corbyn. At least he knows where he was born and has an idea of the age of the Earth.Will the conservatives really be able to turn current opinion poll leads into the seats they need for a majority? I'm not 100% convinced.
Loads of people aren't keen on Corbyn, but at the end of the day they'll get to the polling station and think, I hate the conservatives, and they'll vote Labour, like they always do without thinking too much. Same applies to other parties!
I wouldn't say the Lib Dems have scored an own goal, but they have set out a relatively unambitious target of gain a couple of dozen extra seats. I do wonder if they had come up with a clear policy which committed to respecting the referendum and leaving the EU but maintaining closer links, custom union etc, they would have attracted more moderate leave supporters whilst still keeping remainers relatively happy?
Esceptico said:
Alexander has played a blinder and is now in a perfect position to play his “people vs the establishment” card.
Labour politicians have already started listing policies, outlying their future for the country: green new deal, save the NHS, end of austerity etc. If the Conservatives are relying on “people vs the establishment”, and maybe the odd "bring back fox hunting" for good measure, they're screwed, for a long time. If Boris doesn't win this election, who are the party members going to endorse as a leader who can unify the country? Michael Gove? Matt Hancock? The one-nation Tory party is seemingly dead, and god knows where the rest of the party is heading.
chrispmartha said:
I’ve lived in Australia, despite expats and its citizens trying to convince people (themselves mainly) that it’s some kind of Paradise, it really isn’t and their politicians are up there with the worst.
An insular cess pit lead by absolute dick heads of the highest order 
FN2TypeR said:
chrispmartha said:
I’ve lived in Australia, despite expats and its citizens trying to convince people (themselves mainly) that it’s some kind of Paradise, it really isn’t and their politicians are up there with the worst.
An insular cess pit lead by absolute dick heads of the highest order As for OP, logical next step in thread topics.
Have you thought about starting a religion?
FN2TypeR said:
chrispmartha said:
I’ve lived in Australia, despite expats and its citizens trying to convince people (themselves mainly) that it’s some kind of Paradise, it really isn’t and their politicians are up there with the worst.
An insular cess pit lead by absolute dick heads of the highest order Surely this isn't the OP rating about climate change on another thread?? Yet no qualms about firing up the barbie. Google states there are 5.8 million barbecues in Australia (if that's where they are) massive pollution, plus where does all the gas/charcoal come from? And heating a swimming pool to boot. Very green 
Just another AGW hypocrite
Just another AGW hypocrite
Edited by bobmedley on Wednesday 30th October 11:00
bobmedley said:
Surely this isn't the OP rating about climate change on another thread?? Yet no qualms about firing up the barbie. Google states there are 5.8 million barbecues in Australia (if that's where they are) massive pollution, plus where does all the gas/charcoal come from? And heating a swimming pool to boot. Very green
Just another AGW hypocrite
There are many pointless comments on NPE but yours is pushing for first place.Just another AGW hypocrite
Edited by bobmedley on Wednesday 30th October 11:00
Accepting AGW is happening is not linked to personal behaviour. Just bizarre concept. Typical denier approach though: attacking the person to divert from the points they are making.
And our pool is heated by the sun so not sure what the second part of the comment is supposed to mean.
Anyway, this was a thread on the election and nothing to do with climate change.
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