PC charged with MURDER for taser use
PC charged with MURDER for taser use
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Petrus1983

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10,941 posts

186 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Seems total lunacy of a decision -

A police officer has been charged with murdering former footballer Dalian Atkinson, who collapsed and later died after being Tasered in 2016.

How can murder be a charge? As if policing wasn’t hard enough already.

768

19,339 posts

120 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Sounds like he was quite unwell to the point of needing to go to hospital, witnesses claim he was struck and kicked on the ground and tasered three times.

I guess ultimately someone thinks it's got a chance of sticking.

Humble Pi

8,977 posts

211 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Unlikely murder will stick imo.
The lesser charge of unlawful act of manslaughter may have a chance.
What’s the sentencing guidelines for that?

Derek Smith

49,006 posts

272 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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768 said:
Sounds like he was quite unwell to the point of needing to go to hospital, witnesses claim he was struck and kicked on the ground and tasered three times.

I guess ultimately someone thinks it's got a chance of sticking.
Not necessarily.

A colleague of mine was prosecuted, some suggest to take the pressure off senior officers in the force, but I could not possibly say. The decision of the CPS took years. At the pre-trial hearing the judge told the defence briefs that the cases would go nowhere and advised the CPS against continuing. It went on. At the Old Bailey, the judge dismissed the case, with some observations to the CPS, after representations from the defence before the case started.

My mate had his career ruined, lost £000s, had to move away, and he suffered from clinical depression.

I heard some say that the CPS was leaned upon, but that, obviously, can't be right.

There was someone very posh involved, but I'm sure that's not relevant.

What is relevant is that I saw the disclosure against my friend. At the time my role was assessing evidence in prosecutions. Had it been anyone else, one of my staff would have rejected it and put a note on my desk. The evidence was that faulty.

I doubt anyone thought there'd be a chance of the prosecutions sticking.

It went ahead until someone took responsibility and binned it.


Caddyshack

14,219 posts

230 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Shocking news (sorry)


Seems odd to me, police do not taser people for no reason, the police give big warnings before using and are highly trained. These are tools given to the Police to work with.

Bigends

6,037 posts

152 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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The trial will establish if there was a reason to taser him, whether or not it was used proportionately and if he was looked after properly afterwards

Spanna

3,737 posts

200 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Should link the story for more context:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/...


Pothole

34,367 posts

306 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Spanna said:
Should link the story for more context:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/...
The most disgusting detail of that story is right at the end, imho


"Both defendants are next expected to appear in court on 9 December. However, a hearing on Wednesday will decide whether they can be named following an application by the media."

Vile.

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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The police are rarely charged in relation to an unnatural death. I would expect there is something substantial for the CPS to authorise a murder charge. We'll see what happens.

As I said in the other topic, it taking over three years is a disgrace and unfair to all involved.


Agammemnon

1,628 posts

82 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Caddyshack said:
Seems odd to me, police do not taser people for no reason, the police give big warnings before using and are highly trained.
Watch this:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/ve...

Terminator X

19,800 posts

228 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Doesn't sound like it could possibly be murder^ to me:

"the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another"

TX.

^unless the chap had planned it for months and was stalking him too

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Murder cases do take time why should this be any different

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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techiedave said:
Murder cases do take time why should this be any different
Most murders when a suspect is known from the off reach the point of charge within 3 days.

This is different because it involves the police. But it’s not over three years of difference.

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Terminator X said:
Doesn't sound like it could possibly be murder^ to me:

"the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another"

TX.

^unless the chap had planned it for months and was stalking him too
Pre-meditation isn’t required.

Basically killing someone with intent to kill or cause GBH.

I can’t remember the exact definition without looking it up but it’s basically that.

Reciprocating mass

6,053 posts

265 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Reciprocating mass said:
The victim didn't die.

Reciprocating mass

6,053 posts

265 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Lol sorry attempted murder

Earthdweller

18,199 posts

150 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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La Liga said:
Reciprocating mass said:
The victim didn't die.
Seems reasonable then laugh

smile

Earthdweller

18,199 posts

150 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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La Liga said:
Terminator X said:
Doesn't sound like it could possibly be murder^ to me:

"the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another"

TX.

^unless the chap had planned it for months and was stalking him too
Pre-meditation isn’t required.

Basically killing someone with intent to kill or cause GBH.

I can’t remember the exact definition without looking it up but it’s basically that.
“Malice aforethought”

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 7th November 2019
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Derek Smith said:
768 said:
Sounds like he was quite unwell to the point of needing to go to hospital, witnesses claim he was struck and kicked on the ground and tasered three times.

I guess ultimately someone thinks it's got a chance of sticking.
Not necessarily.

A colleague of mine was prosecuted, some suggest to take the pressure off senior officers in the force, but I could not possibly say. The decision of the CPS took years. At the pre-trial hearing the judge told the defence briefs that the cases would go nowhere and advised the CPS against continuing. It went on. At the Old Bailey, the judge dismissed the case, with some observations to the CPS, after representations from the defence before the case started.

My mate had his career ruined, lost £000s, had to move away, and he suffered from clinical depression.

I heard some say that the CPS was leaned upon, but that, obviously, can't be right.

There was someone very posh involved, but I'm sure that's not relevant.

What is relevant is that I saw the disclosure against my friend. At the time my role was assessing evidence in prosecutions. Had it been anyone else, one of my staff would have rejected it and put a note on my desk. The evidence was that faulty.

I doubt anyone thought there'd be a chance of the prosecutions sticking.

It went ahead until someone took responsibility and binned it.
scratchchin been dreaming again Derek.