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[pequod]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50506909

Whatever we think about the reasons why our British citizens travel abroad to live another lifestyle, surely this is the correct outcome?

I hope they get back in time to vote.

EDIT: Please read the whole post before responding as the BBC article linked above was edited during the thread. Thank you.

Edited by pequod on Saturday 23 November 18:42

[s1962a]

pequod said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50506909

Whatever we think about the reasons why our British citizens travel abroad to live another lifestyle, surely this is the correct outcome?

I hope they get back in time to vote.

Why do you think it's ok to let terrorists back in to country? Would you give them benefits too? Wow

I doubt they'll be voting for the important party

[Mothersruin]

pequod said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50506909

Whatever we think about the reasons why our British citizens travel abroad to live another lifestyle, surely this is the correct outcome?

I hope they get back in time to vote.

I hope they are fully vetted prior to return, welcomed back with open arms if fully cleared, put in a hole to rot if they aren't.

No doubt some of them will pop in a few years having been 'known to authorities'.

[pequod]

s1962a said:

Why do you think it's ok to let terrorists back in to country? Would you give them benefits too? Wow

I doubt they'll be voting for the important party

Are they terrorists? If so, then I trust our Govt will deal with them on their return in an appropriate and legal manner.

If they are registered as a voter they can and I hope they will vote for whichever Party they feel reflect their priorities.

[cs174]

Surely, they will be arrested upon arrival in the UK and charged with terror offences??

[pequod]

cs174 said:

Surely, they will be arrested upon arrival in the UK and charged with terror offences??

Will they? I would hope that the processing in Syria by our FO and security establishment will have done that already.

[s1962a]

pequod said:

s1962a said:

Why do you think it's ok to let terrorists back in to country? Would you give them benefits too? Wow

I doubt they'll be voting for the important party

Are they terrorists? If so, then I trust our Govt will deal with them on their return in an appropriate and legal manner.

If they are registered as a voter they can and I hope they will vote for whichever Party they feel reflect their priorities.

if people make a conscious decision to go to Syria as a freedom fighter/terrorist or whatever label they want to put on it then yes they are terrorists. What else could they be?

if there are children involved, it's not their fault and they need to looked after/deradicalised.

[pequod]

s1962a said:

pequod said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50506909

Whatever we think about the reasons why our British citizens travel abroad to live another lifestyle, surely this is the correct outcome?

I hope they get back in time to vote.

Why do you think it's ok to let terrorists back in to country? Would you give them benefits too? Wow

I doubt they'll be voting for the important party

Interesting that you were the first to reply.

Why would they be entitled to benefits? I assume the 'benefit system' didn't pay for their travel to try out another lifestyle?

[pequod]

s1962a said:

if people make a conscious decision to go to Syria as a freedom fighter/terrorist or whatever label they want to put on it then yes they are terrorists. What else could they be?

if there are children involved, it's not their fault and they need to looked after/deradicalised.

Do you know for sure that they travelled to Syria to become terrorists? Evidence?

Or did they want to try another way of life, radically different to the British tolerance of race, religion, or gender identity? I would hope that you would respect their choices.

[Gerradi]

Mowty bloodclat on here eh

[s1962a]

pequod said:

s1962a said:

if people make a conscious decision to go to Syria as a freedom fighter/terrorist or whatever label they want to put on it then yes they are terrorists. What else could they be?

if there are children involved, it's not their fault and they need to looked after/deradicalised.

Do you know for sure that they travelled to Syria to become terrorists? Evidence?

Or did they want to try another way of life, radically different to the British tolerance of race, religion, or gender identity? I would hope that you would respect their choices.

Syria was an ISIS stronghold yes? Whats tolerant about their extremist ideology?

[s1962a]

pequod said:

Do you know for sure that they travelled to Syria to become terrorists? Evidence?.

Leave that to the authorities that decided that are fit to be left back in, Shirley.

[Piha]

s1962a said:

Syria was an ISIS stronghold yes? Whats tolerant about their extremist ideology?

I’m pretty sure the Kurdish militias that bravely fought ISIS in Syria would disagree with you. And the millions of other Syrian families that just want to get on with their lives and reject violence.

You remember the Kurds don’t you? They’re the ones that Trump stabbed in the back.

These British citizens should return to the U.K. and if required, face British justice if they are accused of wrongdoing.

[pequod]

s1962a said:

Syria was an ISIS stronghold yes? Whats tolerant about their extremist ideology?

Nice try at deflection. Damascus never became an ISIS stronghold and the majority of the country remained under Syrian Govt control, with a little help from their allies.

I ask again, do you know that these British citizens travelled to Syria to join ISIS and become terrorists or simply wanting to try another way of life?

[Ridgemont]

pequod said:

s1962a said:

if people make a conscious decision to go to Syria as a freedom fighter/terrorist or whatever label they want to put on it then yes they are terrorists. What else could they be?

if there are children involved, it's not their fault and they need to looked after/deradicalised.

Do you know for sure that they travelled to Syria to become terrorists? Evidence?

Or did they want to try another way of life, radically different to the British tolerance of race, religion, or gender identity? I would hope that you would respect their choices.

I respect their right to support their self proclaimed state. Of course that comes with a little baggage such as placing themselves outside modern civilised norms as they believe in a mode of life 1200 years old and quite clearly barbaric. But that’s their call.
Sadly their state was founded on overthrowing and encroaching on the territory of existing states (syria, Iraq etc) and has now been reclaimed and as such they are now the citizens of the successor (original) states. I’m sure Syria and Iraq will deal with them equitably and with all due respect to their interesting experiment and alternative way of life.

[Mothersruin]

pequod said:

s1962a said:

Syria was an ISIS stronghold yes? Whats tolerant about their extremist ideology?

Nice try at deflection. Damascus never became an ISIS stronghold and the majority of the country remained under Syrian Govt control, with a little help from their allies.

I ask again, do you know that these British citizens travelled to Syria to join ISIS and become terrorists or simply wanting to try another way of life?

Ok, lots of other Islamic states in the world, UAE, KSA, Oman, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia etc, etc...

Yet they went to Syria while there was a big fk off war going on.

Whatever they are, clever ain't one of them.

[pequod]

Mothersruin said:

Ok, lots of other Islamic states in the world, UAE, KSA, Oman, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia etc, etc...

Yet they went to Syria while there was a big fk off war going on.

Whatever they are, clever ain't one of them.

I'm not disputing their misguided choice of trying another way of life, Syria probably wasn't the best destination, but given they are British citizens, we should get them back and trust they will be thankful of another chance and, if registered, allowed to vote.

[Mothersruin]

pequod said:

Mothersruin said:

Ok, lots of other Islamic states in the world, UAE, KSA, Oman, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia etc, etc...

Yet they went to Syria while there was a big fk off war going on.

Whatever they are, clever ain't one of them.

I'm not disputing their misguided choice of trying another way of life, Syria probably wasn't the best destination, but given they are British citizens, we should get them back and trust they will be thankful of another chance and, if registered, allowed to vote.

Once they've gone through due process, of course.

Thankfull? Perhaps but they'll probably still despise the country that's supporting them. Just a hunch, might be wrong.

[pequod]

Mothersruin said:

Once they've gone through due process, of course.

Thankfull? Perhaps but they'll probably still despise the country that's supporting them. Just a hunch, might be wrong.

I'm a believer in giving British people a second chance, that's dependent on what they did of course, but I doubt the Govt will be stupid enough to allow known, and proven, terrorists back into the country, do you?

[Mothersruin]

pequod said:

Mothersruin said:

Once they've gone through due process, of course.

Thankfull? Perhaps but they'll probably still despise the country that's supporting them. Just a hunch, might be wrong.

I'm a believer in giving British people a second chance, that's dependent on what they did of course, but I doubt the Govt will be stupid enough to allow known, and proven, terrorists back into the country, do you?

As said, I wouldn't be surprised if they pop up down the line with the ticker at the bottom of the screen saying, 'known to authorities'.

Hope I'm wrong.