Labour MP ‘I hope Government fails’
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Gloria De Piero former Labour MP announces on BBC Politics Live, ‘I hope Government fails’. This to me sums up Labour Party politics, they want failure to provide smoke and mirrors on themselves to ‘look better, sound better’ shouldn’t she have said I want our Labour Party to achieve those ambitions by being ‘better’ than a successful Government! She also seems to have a problem with the background of the Conservative front bench!
Wrong messages yet again from a totally hopeless Labour Party.
Wrong messages yet again from a totally hopeless Labour Party.
I agree with some on here that left wing politics, especially of recent years, has become policies of envy and hate rather than anything constructive.
I try to keep a passing interest in local, national and global politics and the further up the ladder you go the narratives become more extreme.
The rise in "populism" was met with a rise in the hard left, the media naturally went hysterical about everything as they realise their market was becoming more polarised on issues and as such it becomes an easy game to engage customers in their content. This has continued through to today with the likes of Trump and Brexit providing enough content and divisiveness to last for a generation.
But its no surprise that I read left wing types wish for 'revolution' at the cost of national interest, national security, population hardship or whatever the negative outcomes that a failed government would result in.
This is generally all acceptable by revolutionary types given the examples in history.
I try to keep a passing interest in local, national and global politics and the further up the ladder you go the narratives become more extreme.
The rise in "populism" was met with a rise in the hard left, the media naturally went hysterical about everything as they realise their market was becoming more polarised on issues and as such it becomes an easy game to engage customers in their content. This has continued through to today with the likes of Trump and Brexit providing enough content and divisiveness to last for a generation.
But its no surprise that I read left wing types wish for 'revolution' at the cost of national interest, national security, population hardship or whatever the negative outcomes that a failed government would result in.
This is generally all acceptable by revolutionary types given the examples in history.
Quite agree. I know the last person the current Labour Party is going to listen to Tony Blair but made the most important point in his recent Guardian article:
“Finally, and above all, decide whether it’s about them or about us, about the people or about making us feel good about ourselves. If it’s about them, then winning is the top priority.”
Unless the party understands that point they will pick the wrong leader.
“Finally, and above all, decide whether it’s about them or about us, about the people or about making us feel good about ourselves. If it’s about them, then winning is the top priority.”
Unless the party understands that point they will pick the wrong leader.
crankedup said:
Gloria De Piero former Labour MP announces on BBC Politics Live, ‘I hope Government fails’. This to me sums up Labour Party politics, they want failure to provide smoke and mirrors on themselves to ‘look better, sound better’ shouldn’t she have said I want our Labour Party to achieve those ambitions by being ‘better’ than a successful Government! She also seems to have a problem with the background of the Conservative front bench!
Wrong messages yet again from a totally hopeless Labour Party.
Does it really matter? It's not going to make a difference either way. People need to stop being so offended by every little thing said. Another example of how society is going soft that this has got its own thread. Ruddy hell!Wrong messages yet again from a totally hopeless Labour Party.
Seems reasonable to me.
Labour was to form a government to change things for the better*
If the current government succeeds the first opportunity they'll have to do that is at the next GE, probably in 2024.
If the current government fails an earlier GE will be called.
As we've learned over the last year, it doesn't really matter whether we have a functioning government, a government without a majority or we dissolve it for a few weeks for a GE, the lights stay on and the bins get collected.
Labour was to form a government to change things for the better*
If the current government succeeds the first opportunity they'll have to do that is at the next GE, probably in 2024.
If the current government fails an earlier GE will be called.
As we've learned over the last year, it doesn't really matter whether we have a functioning government, a government without a majority or we dissolve it for a few weeks for a GE, the lights stay on and the bins get collected.
booboise blueboys said:
crankedup said:
Gloria De Piero former Labour MP announces on BBC Politics Live, ‘I hope Government fails’. This to me sums up Labour Party politics, they want failure to provide smoke and mirrors on themselves to ‘look better, sound better’ shouldn’t she have said I want our Labour Party to achieve those ambitions by being ‘better’ than a successful Government! She also seems to have a problem with the background of the Conservative front bench!
Wrong messages yet again from a totally hopeless Labour Party.
Does it really matter? It's not going to make a difference either way. People need to stop being so offended by every little thing said. Another example of how society is going soft that this has got its own thread. Ruddy hell!Wrong messages yet again from a totally hopeless Labour Party.
Until they can shift their focus onto being at the front centre leading the Country successfully they will remain a Party of non consequence. That is bad for the Country, we need a strong opposition to Government. It is vitally important that issues such as this are openly challenged and discussed, not ignored, imo.
P-Jay said:
Seems reasonable to me.
Labour was to form a government to change things for the better*
If the current government succeeds the first opportunity they'll have to do that is at the next GE, probably in 2024.
If the current government fails an earlier GE will be called.
As we've learned over the last year, it doesn't really matter whether we have a functioning government, a government without a majority or we dissolve it for a few weeks for a GE, the lights stay on and the bins get collected.
You do understand that uncertainty is the enemy of business?Labour was to form a government to change things for the better*
If the current government succeeds the first opportunity they'll have to do that is at the next GE, probably in 2024.
If the current government fails an earlier GE will be called.
As we've learned over the last year, it doesn't really matter whether we have a functioning government, a government without a majority or we dissolve it for a few weeks for a GE, the lights stay on and the bins get collected.
crankedup said:
booboise blueboys said:
crankedup said:
Gloria De Piero former Labour MP announces on BBC Politics Live, ‘I hope Government fails’. This to me sums up Labour Party politics, they want failure to provide smoke and mirrors on themselves to ‘look better, sound better’ shouldn’t she have said I want our Labour Party to achieve those ambitions by being ‘better’ than a successful Government! She also seems to have a problem with the background of the Conservative front bench!
Wrong messages yet again from a totally hopeless Labour Party.
Does it really matter? It's not going to make a difference either way. People need to stop being so offended by every little thing said. Another example of how society is going soft that this has got its own thread. Ruddy hell!Wrong messages yet again from a totally hopeless Labour Party.
Until they can shift their focus onto being at the front centre leading the Country successfully they will remain a Party of non consequence. That is bad for the Country, we need a strong opposition to Government. It is vitally important that issues such as this are openly challenged and discussed, not ignored, imo.
We can't even get Big Ben to bong for Brexit and you're wasting your time posting rubbish like this thread? Come on!
crankedup said:
P-Jay said:
Seems reasonable to me.
Labour was to form a government to change things for the better*
If the current government succeeds the first opportunity they'll have to do that is at the next GE, probably in 2024.
If the current government fails an earlier GE will be called.
As we've learned over the last year, it doesn't really matter whether we have a functioning government, a government without a majority or we dissolve it for a few weeks for a GE, the lights stay on and the bins get collected.
You do understand that uncertainty is the enemy of business?Labour was to form a government to change things for the better*
If the current government succeeds the first opportunity they'll have to do that is at the next GE, probably in 2024.
If the current government fails an earlier GE will be called.
As we've learned over the last year, it doesn't really matter whether we have a functioning government, a government without a majority or we dissolve it for a few weeks for a GE, the lights stay on and the bins get collected.
greygoose said:
No political party hopes their opposition will be a huge success do they? Is the OP going to post in the sports pages next that boxers don’t hope their opponents do well, shock horror, what is happening to the world?! Pathetic.
I'd imagine lots of boxers want to be the best, rather than be ranked the best because of poor opposition performance. Bit of an odd comparison to draw IMOThis has got the Labour Party supporters in a twist, with the lack of thought delivered in the posts it’s no wonder Labour were crushed in the GE. And still they fail to understand why, the mindset is so wrong.
Try to look at it like this, it may help, if you were running a business and a competitor entered into your market managing to beat your business on sales. Now would your strategy be oooh I hope they fail soon and I can then just keep doing what I always have, or do you look to improve and beat your competitor?
Try to look at it like this, it may help, if you were running a business and a competitor entered into your market managing to beat your business on sales. Now would your strategy be oooh I hope they fail soon and I can then just keep doing what I always have, or do you look to improve and beat your competitor?
greygoose said:
No political party hopes their opposition will be a huge success do they? Is the OP going to post in the sports pages next that boxers don’t hope their opponents do well, shock horror, what is happening to the world?! Pathetic.
Silly post, no serious politician goes onto National television ‘hoping the Government fails’ as a near first statement of fact. That tells the electorate that she doesn’t care about them and their expectation and hopes. No, she should be saying ‘we need to do better than the current Government, we must recognise that we are just not good enough and the electorate have told us as much. We need to offer something better next time and convince the electorate that we, the Labour Party can and will offer a better way forward. Not the negativity of her pronouncements in hoping for failure. They are a disgrace atm and must improve imo.P-Jay said:
crankedup said:
P-Jay said:
Seems reasonable to me.
Labour was to form a government to change things for the better*
If the current government succeeds the first opportunity they'll have to do that is at the next GE, probably in 2024.
If the current government fails an earlier GE will be called.
As we've learned over the last year, it doesn't really matter whether we have a functioning government, a government without a majority or we dissolve it for a few weeks for a GE, the lights stay on and the bins get collected.
You do understand that uncertainty is the enemy of business?Labour was to form a government to change things for the better*
If the current government succeeds the first opportunity they'll have to do that is at the next GE, probably in 2024.
If the current government fails an earlier GE will be called.
As we've learned over the last year, it doesn't really matter whether we have a functioning government, a government without a majority or we dissolve it for a few weeks for a GE, the lights stay on and the bins get collected.
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